I have to agree that name-calling, labeling and personal baiting and attacking really contribute nothing to a debate, though it appears that it is hardly only coming from one side of the debate.

None of which goes to say that the man who refused to prove his citizenship with an actual orginal birth certificate and went to great lengths to hide his certificate as well as his college and other records is legitimate, or that bigger government is compatible with a constitutionally secured federation of sovereign states where each citizen is supposed to have unalienable rights.  Likewise, a mementary jump in housing sales (when prices decline by 30% or more and interest rates drop to 4.5% one would expect a rise) or stock market rally after about 3 Trillion dollars have been borrowed or created out of thin air is the harbinger of good news.  It may be that the imaginary bubble is merely being reinflated and that the ultimate crash will be worse than ever.

Someday there has to be a reckoning.  As it is, each man woman and child has been saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in debt - plus interest - that will effect the standards of living of the majority of citizens and their children as well.  You simply cannot spend your way out of a problem created by excessive and irresponsible spending to begin with.

Duquiote(sorry if I spelled it wrong!) you are so right! I find myself agreeing with you in allot of your posts. I feel that we will see a small rise but the crash will come all that greater.  Debt never solves any economic problems. This stimulas package will be such a consiquence to our country! I just feel scared about the future. I feel the pinch. We are a one income family and the taxes are killing us. We make way under $250k but when we all add up our taxes its almost 50%! Its just so hard to make ends meet.

Also with Obama's new spending plan the $250k and up would have to pay 100% of their income to pay for it. So since they can't do that then its time to come to the middle class with their hands out!