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Glaxony posted:
>>>>This page is the foundation and basis of this website. This website was established for the purpose of disseminating this information, not to push pharmaceutical drugs and help people find ways to get them without a prescriiption. The recommended CZ cleansing protocol is what saved the life of our esteemed Webmaster . If you are trying and figure some other way, I don't think you are going to find it. People come here because they've tried drugs, over and over, and realized it's a dead end. I am uncomfortable with people using the parasite forum to obtain drugs without a prescriiption.<<<<<
I can't agree with you more Glaxony, thank you for hitting that point of saying "enough is enough"---again. Is Dushan aware of what direction the parasite forum has taken- again? Because it's not what CZ was ever meant to be. With people egging other people on to obtain the "possible magic parasite bullets" ARE further health problems being affected negatively? When Shroom was doing the latest round of Pharma drugs through the MD, along with the anti-psychotic drugs, and the Antibiotics that he added to it --was there a concern by the Doctor about how the liver might be affected?? Yes! Liver testing was done regularly, am I right Shroom? For a reason.
When people are being led to believe that Pharma drugs have "cured" their parasite problem for good, that they are now done killing parasites, that they have found "the magic bullet", of course people are going to hope what they are hearing is true, and are going to jump on the bandwagon. We've all seen the impatience of the people that will do anything to kill them all NOW.
Jumping from one thing to another, and basically ignoring- or pooh poohing what others have tried to tell them on this forum that has worked for them without it being Pharma drugs.
What was it you said about herbs Shroom? That they couldn't possibly work? snicker, snicker... Actually, I found it--your words:
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"Sorry In am not feeling very optimistic today.
Aside from going into the body surgically, how else do you remove a parasite that is comfortably embedded into your internal tissue, surrounded by mucus, and impervious to antibodies? Herbs? ...snicker, snicker..
It takes real drugs, and in some cases nasty ones. I suggest, that since these things have receptor sites, and in some cases nervous systems, they can be harmed if "drugged".
What kind of drugs? I don't know. Maybe Valium
Does anyone truly believe that they can totally be "cured" of parasites once and for all and never have to do anything about them ever again? DO pharma drugs kill them "in all their phases"? No. Or is it like Dariush posted just a few weeks after stating he was "retiring from CZ" because his parasite problem had been cured with the animal dewormers....only to find more parasites soon after when starting another pharma drug. Hmmm.
Wonder if Dushan would seriously consider two forums, because people definetly leave this one when it turns back the Pharma direction.
Like you said Glaxony- it's far more than just killing parasites. What are the underlying causes for the immune system being weakened, and for the parasites to be able to take over to begin with? Heavy metals? Congested, toxic liver? Has there ever been Antibiotic use? (Candida), what about life-time changes in diet?, ignored gum infections? Did a bad case of "Mono" from years back become a bad case of Epstein Barr Virus, or Cytomegalovirus..or both? Does that affect your internal organs- liver/spleen etc? Heck yeh. Does that have anything to do with parasites? Definetly. What about Lyme? What about food allergies ? What about glands?
Are you going to find any of that stuff under your microscope Shroom? That's all of what I've been dealing with that I call the "co-factors". Why did I have the huge load of parasites? And, no, I didn't need a microscope to figure out what the monstors in my toilet continued to be day in and day out, for months. Am I getting them killed off? That's a big yes. I am. Will I ever again let down my guard now that I know what all varieties I've had living in me? Heck no. This is a battle for life--my life. But there's a whole lot more clean-up that will probably take years of consistency, and self-discipline to continue to address.
MD's would have killed me. The CZ programs work...if you are willing to work them!
Well said Glaxony.
Maybe it's time to start looking at the whole big picture, and applying stuff that has been pooh poohed for so long.
I doubt that the Webmaster would ever be in favor of a Pharma forum, but I vote for seperate forums, or clearly posted CZ guidelines here at the top of the page.
Nothing personal against any one of you using the pharma drugs, that's your own choice, but maybe there's a drug forum someplace else. What message is it newcomers are getting here right now?
Herbs? snicker..snicker (never gave them a fair chance, but they couldn't possibly work) Gotta get drugs.
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- Re: Time to take back the forum Bythc
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,275,837You say it so well, jessiesmom. So many informative people no longer post here. The newcomers are rushed away to get drugs, that are just going to make them sicker. I came here after all the drugs (same ones these folks are doing) in really poor health. It is sad to see people going down a road that is going to make them sicker. As far as the herbs, the bible recomends them, and they work.
Cheers
Bythc- What causes parasites to begin with?... UserX
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Candida Detox
Mucoid plaque = Parasites = Candida
Remove them all!
Wormwood Capsules, Clove Tincture
Hulda Clark Parasite Cleanse
This is a reply to # 1,275,860Hi: I haven't been on this forum for nearly a year. It's apalling how it has changed and gone off on some kind of tangent towards a la la land of misinformation.
I have come back from "terminal" from a very bad liver situation caused by parasites and the resulting stones that were made by my body in my liver and a bad colon situation where the parasite eggs hid and multiplied. My situation was caused by DRUG poisoning. Drugs and chemical poisons predispose a healthy body to parasitic infestations. Drugs never cured anything. Drugs foul up the colon so it doesn't work properly. They may kill parasites for a little while, then you have to go offf the drugs and what do the parasites do? MULTIPLY! Come on, folks, thnk about it! So what do you have in the end if you use drugs to get rid of parasites? A body poisoned by drugs, a liver congested by drugs, a colon infested with parasites and their eggs. Come on. Let's get real! The Barefoot dewormer worked for me. So did the Zymex ll. I know the Humaworm works. Then clean out the body by doing the Liver Flushes and the colon cleanses. Stay ON an herbal dewormer and don't go off it until you have evidence by the Liver Flushes and a clean colon that the bugs are all gone. That's where the problem lies for so many people. They intermitently go on and off the herbal dewormers. They don't properly do the colon cleanses. You want ot get rid of parasites? How much simpler can it get? Not much!
Thanks!
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This is a reply to # 1,275,837I am a believer in the combination of pharmaceutical drugs with natural remedies when times are tough. When you reach the point of severe illness, sometimes pharmaceuticals are a necessity in the journey of overcoming a parasite infection.
Pharmaceuticals won't "CURE" anyone -- I don't think ANYONE here believes that (other than Shroom maybe)... but what it will do is it will lessen the severity of the infection, and allow the herbals & cleanses to work better with a lessened parasite load.
Pharmaceuticals WORK - to a degree. They don't work alone.... you need to combine it with the curezone protocols.... but they definitely have their place and I believe it is equally IRRESPONSIBLE to COMPLETELY disregard their effectiveness.
Plus there are many anti- parasite pharmaceuticals that are very safe treatments with little to no side effects, depending on the particular drug.
Just my two cents.- Re: Glad to see you reach that point... featherbutts
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This is a reply to # 1,275,869I agree! 10selection10
Tried every herbal remedy exept barefoots. Nothing worked. And ive been a member for over 2 years.- Re: Glad to see you reach that point... UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,275,957how many times have you flushed you liver?
have you cleansed your kidneys?
do you have mercury in your mouth?
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This is a reply to # 1,275,869I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is no way an egghead in a lab coat can concoct something in a few years that will come anywhere close to being as effective as the herbs that nature spent billions of years designing by natural selection. Anyone who thinks pharmaceutical drugs can help them is a dead person walking. It's just a matter of time. The purpose of this website is to promote wellness via natural means. Good Bye and Good Luck.
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This is a reply to # 1,275,869Does "terminal" ring a bell for severe illness? Liver enzymes up? I never once used phamaceutical drugs to get rid of parasites. I am rid of just about all of them. Practically none left after a year on the Barefoot dewormer and other natural dewormers I chose to add to that. It does take a while to get rid of them. Persistence and staying on the natural dewormers paid off. It doesn't happen overnight like so many of us would like it to happen.
Besides, I have had enough of the chemical poisons and will not let them in my body again except in a case of real emergency like an accident or something like that.
I have never seen man-made chemicals and herbals work to an advantage in anyone's body. Man-made chemicals and herbals do not combine. I believe it is a hoax. That's all I have to say.- More on what I just said. . . UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,276,120How do we know we need to get rid of parasites and whether they cause severe illness or not? A year ago I wasn't digesting any of my food. It all went straight thru me. The junk on the colon wall was stopping me from digesting my food. I couldn't absorb much of anything. I found the junk to be full of parasites, some flukes 3 inches long. Loads of bug eggs there ready to hatch all the time. For 6 months previous to starting the cleaning out programs, I was vomiting off an on for half the night. No particular reason for it. Then that progressed to not being able to keep food down at all. I was lying on the couch all day and couldn't wake up. Blood Sugar about 450 mg/dl at night. What was next--more insulin or coma? I had Diabetes type 2, on 30 units of insulin that wasn't taking care of the blood Sugar at all. My blood Sugar was completely out of control. I had so much pain in my liver area that I couldn't take it much longer. Couldn't breathe well because of so many paraistes with resulting stones in my liver. When I cleaned out my liver, there wasn't one stone I did not find full of parasites, (that's plural), and their debris. My liver enzymes were up and going up some more. My legs were starting to swell. Were my kidneys going to fail next? So, I will leave it to the reader if THEY think this was some kind of serious illness or not.
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This is a reply to # 1,275,837I know so little about meds, and even parasites, except that I just don't think I can go the med route.
I am a pretty good amateur 'researcher' in that I can read, and understand what I read. But some have little training in language. What must those folks think of those who seem to be well-versed in medical terms, and familiar here on CureZone?
There is one thing to be said for not understanding the terminology...people stop reading.
But, that wastes time in getting to the answers they seek.
Only one example of words thrown around in order to impress...'disseminated'. I happened to come across its meaning, in the context of parasites...'outside the digestive tract'!
Of course parasites will be found, in some of their forms, outside the digestive tract! Some parasite eggs go to the lungs to hatch...and then the larva try to get themselves coughed up in phlegm, to be swallowed so they may return to the intestines where they will live out their lives as adults.
Not to belittle those who write the word 'disseminated', but, please take care not to confuse those who read the word for the first time in innocence...and become afraid.
An introductory law course at college spoke of a 'duty of care'. That's where someone has had a wider education than most, in a particular subject.
A doctor may be asked questions about a sore knee, at church. Properly, since he knows far more about sore knees than the questioner realizes, the doctor should then offer to answer something about this particular knee IN HIS OFFICE! There he can take the time to examine the knee and give a more accurate opinion.
Those who are more studied always have a 'duty of care' toward those who haven't yet studied.
That's something we all must learn as we go through life and understand more.
And, as a senior, it is very, very hard to see younger and less experienced people make mistakes we, ourselves made, long ago.
There is one thing we can do, though...we can lead the innocent to discover truths for themselves, earlier, and without hurt.
It is a bit more work, I know, but it beats regret all hollow!
Diana, for example, trained her sons to be kings, by simply showing them things they would not normally see...and giving them the opportunity to work out solutions.
She had compassion for those who were hurting, and worked for them all she could by going where people were in trouble and drawing attention to their plight with her presence...and also giving herself, quietly, as their friend.
One thing she is said to have done is to take her sons out at night to see how and where the homeless slept.
If you'd like to hear some of the other stories I've read, just ask.
There is a reason why her funeral was seen by billions, around the globe. The quiet people knew.
A duty of care...so important.
F.
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This is a reply to # 1,275,880All you need to know is what the word "systemic" means. It simply means that an antiparasistic like Barefoot's dewormer and Humaworm dewormer goes to all parts of the body. Too simple.
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- Re: is "Dushan" me your refering to? dariushsweden
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This is a reply to # 1,276,003No Darius, Durshan is the owner of Cure Zone, and the webmaster:)
Julie - NO!!!! Absolutely NOT! UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,276,003I am shocked and appalled that you don't even know how this website began, or who started it and why. Remaining ignorant in this regard will be considered a rude breech of appropriate ettiquette. In my opinion, it is time for you and Shroom to educated yourselves on the Cure Zone Protocol that healed our webmaster, and get with the program or scram. Go start your own forum somewhere.
This website was established to help people get well via natural means, by someone who did so himself. It was not established for people who want to use it as a venue to encourage human beings to take drugs that were designed for animals because they can't get any from doctors. There is a reason why doctors won't give people round after round of pharmaceutical drugs. It destroys the liver and kills people. What you are doing is dangerous and you need to stop telling others to do it.
Herbs are not toxic, people are. The way you get rid of parasites is to slowly increase the dose of anti-parasitcal herbs and Iodine until all your symptoms subside and then stay at that dose for another thirty days. The human race is so heavily infested that if you try to kill them all off at once with a silver bullet approach, it will destroy the human body. You have to take them off layer by layer, the same way they colonized your system.
The "dosage" required to eliminate parasites in the deepest layers of human tissue is much, much higher than most people realize. And if you don't get the ones that reside in the deepest tissues of your body, they will simply recolonize. It is necessary to incorporate anti-parastical into your diet and consume them in the same manner and amounts as you do food. Peppers burn the mouth of people with a high parasite load more intensely. This is because parasites don't like for you to eat peppers and parasites control the host.
I know this because I occassoinally have lunch at a Hindu Temple that serves a spicy pepper condiment that has a mean reputation for getting rid of parasites. Most people say "No Thank You!" They only give you half a teaspoon of it if you accept. The first time I tried some, my face turned red and I started coughing. I was miserable for thirty minutes. The next time, I barely touched a tiny bit of the juice to my tongue and experienced excruciating pain for several minutes. After parasite cleansing for a couple of years, I tried the dish again. It still burned me, but it wasn't as hot. Yesterday I ask for two spoons of it and ate it all. It barely burned at all. The people who turn the stuff down seem quite surprised at how much I consume.
The moral of the story is that when your parasite load gets low, peppers won't burn you as bad. Once you've gotten rid of them, it is important make anti-parasitical herbs a regular part of your diet in order to remain free because they are ubiquitous. You cannot live life without being exposed to them.- Attention Shroom UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,276,023The only reason I have tolerated Shroom's resistance to trying the Cure Zone Protocol for so long is because he shared a key piece of information that I needed to continue making progress when I reached a point where I was about to give up on bloodroot, as I didn't think my body was going to be able to accept a higher dose. I had tried and tried to increase, but I got horribly ill and threw up every time.
Shroom explained that the reason the anti-psyhotic drugs caused a remission of his symptoms was because they interefered with circuits that parasites rely on to thrive. The parasites were stinging me right when I fell asleep and preventing me from getting rest. When I tried to increase the dose, I threw up. When I understood why Shroom was getting results with anti-psychotics, I realized why the parasites would let me fall asleep. I bought some melatonin and took it before bedtime. Doing so enable me to increase my dose of bloodroot and keep it down. Taking more bloodroot stopped the parasites from stinging me and waking me up.
Shroom helped me at a critical juncture and it is now time for me to return the favor. Shroom, how many times have you flushed your liver? Have you cleansed your kidneys? Do you still have mercury in your mouth? Have you tried taking bloodroot? Are you taking any Iodine? If not, then you are not ever going to get well. And if you continue taking round after round of pharmaceutical drugs, you are going to kill your liver and die. You need to stop fishing for customere, examining people's bodily fluids, and encouraging people at Cure Zone to take drugs.
That is not the purpose of this website. Get with the program or get out of here.- Re: Attention Shroom Shroom
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This is a reply to # 1,276,032Whatever. Maybe I should include a disclaimer at the end of my posts.
I am on a course of scientific investigation of a particular biological phenomenon. I publish here to share the information with others, like everyone else. Shroom- Re: Attention Shroom UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,276,407How many times have you flushed your liver? Have you cleansed your kidneys? Do you have any mercury in your mouth? Have you observed the effects of bloodroot, Iodine or collodial silver on the pathogens you are studying? If not, you are not a very thorough scientist and you're not interested in getting well.
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This is a reply to # 1,275,837I do agree with you, JM, that there has been a lack of respect for the 'natural only' point of view on the parasites forum.
I think it's very important to remember that the people who are posting are scared and sick, and to treat outbursts with kindness where ever possible.
But I also think that the general drift of the forum has been towards using the drugs, which actually are sometimes damaging, and are generally ineffective for a long term cure & they certainly increase the chance of parasites wandering outside of the intestinal track.
I have learned a lot from the posts by the 'use the drug' group, big lesson, better slow & safe than worms all over the place.
Really improving your health with natural medicine is very possible, but it requires a lot of effort and changes in diet, exercize, at times even the place you live or your occupation, and that is more effort than most people want to put out. But this isn't the "Short Cut Zone".
I also think that there is very little information on treating parasites anywhere, and this forum has helped a lot of people.
I don't really know how to deal with the disrespect that has been shown, I just figure it's sick people being grouchy, and I just tune it out, or send them a blessing.
I do think a lot of people with really good information on natural medicine have stopped posting here because of the disrespect. It certainly isn't because herbs are ineffective, if they are used correctly, they work very, very well, with fewer side effects than the drugs.
There is a saying, do you want to be right, or happy? On cure zone, it's kind of do you want to be right, or do you want to stay sick, and in our case, continue to
be parasite habitat?
To learn and to heal, you have to open your mind and spirit to the possibility that good health can be achieved naturally. It's just not all about the body, it's the heart and mind as well, when that gets ignored, and things decend to the level of interpersonal sniping that's been going on on this forum, then I"m not sure how much is being achieved for anyone.
So, we are all in the same situation, and I would appeal to everyone to show more respect to each other. There is a great deal of experience here, and a chance for everyone to learn ways of really improving their well being, and the focus does seem to have drifted. Perhaps we just all need to refocus on why we came here in the first place, and how scared and sick we were, and how important it was to get just one word of encouragement, and a little good advice.
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This is a reply to # 1,276,030Oh, and just in case anyone asks me, it's this, if you want to kill the parasites, rather than just making them mad enough to move around your body to places that will really bug you, use herbs, don't use the pharmaseudicals. And it doesn't matter if you get a prescriiption, you buy them from a pet store, or you get them from a third world county that doesn't regulate drugs, they do more harm than good.
To sumarize:
to kill
worms= herbs, rife, zapper
virus= herbs, H202, oleander
bacteria= herbs, zapper rife H202
to recover your health
iodine
organic food
distilled water
exercize
anti oxidants
get rid of heavy metals/chelation
Liver flush, kidney flush, coffee enema, colon cleanse
quit being pissed off at everyone, forgive the people you are mad at, and allow your spirit to heal.
Julie
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This is a reply to # 1,276,048The medical practice is called such because they practice on you... Hence the name.
I don't take drugs and never will we are fighting a natural entity and I believe that each and everything has a true opposite so there must be a natural way to fight parasites. Herbal remedies have been around forever they are tried and true noone knows me better than me, I will practice on my own body thank you.
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