Mild Silver Protein is not colloidal... 
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You can read the post I started below for the technical information Tom (of Silver Puppy) sent me on a OTC brand called "Future Biotics Advanced Colloidal Silver ". Very many OTC brands are not real CS but Mild Silver Peotein. Manufactuers don't make this. They buy it very inexpensively from labs. It isn't effective as sold. They will claim to be 10ppm. They do not mention that they are actually mild silver protein. They are 1/50 as strong as Colloidal Silver .
I had written him regarding the taste of my CS. You can read the post below if you would like to know about the taste. It appears that many people are being fooled by the mild silver protein. As in the ad link in the post under this group, it even clearly states it is mild silver protein, but no one knows what that is. So they claim it is 5000 ppn Ha! and will save you from avian flu. It makes me sick to see supposedly "alternative health care" advocates trying to dupe the public like this.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,231,595Some say, and apparently back, that electrolysed Colloidal Silver (the kind made with the generators in the water, e.g., Beck technique) isn't true Colloidal Silver either. It's toxic IONIC- Colloidal Silver .
http://www.silverproteinmild.com/truth.html
http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/index_start.html
When you make electro-colloidal silver you're making Ions of silver in water. These ions are unstable and tend to start clumping together (as they lack an electron), which is why after a while you start seeing stuff at the bottom of the bucket. This is also why argyria occurs. The ions group together in pieces to large for the body to excrete, so it stores in in the fat tissue.
Additionally, ions are usually bad for you, and will suppress certain functions of the immune system(CD4 and CD8). Ionic-silver also becomes silver chloride once reaching the stomach, and becomes worthless. Etc., etc.
As far as the PPM issue goes, I guess a good question to ask is is colloidal-silver allopathic or homeopathic?
So far I've seen the advocates of electro-colloidal silver claim silver's modality is homeopathic, whereas the MSP colloidal silver advocates claim the modality is allopathic.
Which is it?
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- Re: Mild Silver Protein is not collo... UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,232,052Insight, I believe your links are an ad for Invive Mild Silver Protein, and a testamonial. I didn't see any research. Is that what you use? Why would anyone go to the trouble of making ionic/ Colloidal Silver with a generator if you could just pick up some MSP from any lab for pennies? I'm no expert on Colloidal Silver but I know people who are. If you would like papers with references you can ask Tom at Silver Puppy, or JAB or DQ here on the board. From my understanding you stumbled across some unsubstantiated hype from Invive.
Tom, in an email to me concerning a brand I had bought said mild silver protein is 1/50th as strong as the Silver Puppy puts out. It is already known it is a combination of ionic and colloidal. I have seen no research concerning ionic silver being harmful. If you have a study showing that to be the case, I'd love to see it. - Yes, the info you gave is straight o... UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,232,052feeling bad? My son is close to your age and has had some of the same symptoms. remember going through that when I was young too.
Many of your symptoms like the head and neck pain, the shooting pains, anxiety, fatigue can be caused by nerve interference. A chiropractor can correct the nerve interference and he should be able to tell you if that is what is causing your problems or if you need additional help. Also, when you are thin you can feel the lymph nodes in the groin area, and neck. They feel firm because that is their natural state when not swollen. Also if you began with a virus and it attacked your nervous system as they often do the anxiety will heighten even more. It isn't unusual for this cycle to go on for several months as yours has. Maybe you could try a chiropractor. Most here wouldn't recommend my second suggestion, but if you are having major health anxiety, it may not be a bad idea to go to a psychiatrist for a short course of xanax or other anti-anxiety medicine. To relax for a while may be very good for your body, particularly your adrenal glands which can become exhausted during prolonged stress.- Re: Insight, are you still.... Insight
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This is a reply to # 1,232,123Doc10, actually yes, the bulk of that research is from Invive promoters. No, I don't use it. I'm simply trying to find the truth, or at least what is most effective, and I've seen a lot of contrasting reports. I've heard of Colloidal Silver a few times in the past, but dismissed it. Now that the medical community is failing me, I've been looking at alternatives and Colloidal Silver seems promising. I first started researching it from Bob Beck's protocols.
As far as my illness goes, I'm pretty sure that nerve interference/sublaxations have at least something to do with it. I did go to a chiropractor who helped me in the past, but because of bad health, etc., a neck manipulation he did tore something in my neck which added to my problems, and a carotid duplex ultrasound revealed arterial narrowing as much as 49% in one side. I'm not clear if the stenosis is because of plaque, trauma from the manipulation, or both. Either way, I started on Ab sorbic acid /L-Lysine to clear plaque, and it did relieve some chest pain. I am hesitant to continue because I want to know what is going on before I start assuming and run with it.
As far as psychiatry goes, I did go to one, at a the doctors's request, and he doesn't feel that my symptoms are related (at least not in mainstream ways of thinking) to mental problems. If anything, it makes perfect sense to be anxious of health issues. I've never heard of someone being overjoyed while having a heart attack. Psychiatric drugs are out of consideration. I have some experience with them, and none of them are positive.
Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it.- Re: Insight, are you still.... UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,232,156Well sorry those suggestions are not your answer. If you ever did want to do chiropractic therapy, many of them do not manipulate in the sense of turning your neck. There are many gentle techniques where you just lay flat down or face up and either hands or usually instruments are used. That is awful if someone actually messed up your neck or artery doing an adjustment!
I am aware of the ascorbic acid/ l-Lysine therapy you are taking. I guess you have found it, but a man named Owen Fonarrow has a forum you can find at the vitamin C Foundation where many people are involved in that therapy and discussing it.
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This is a reply to # 1,232,170I have heard of chiropractors who use techniques like that. Perhaps I haven't learned my lesson, but I am still planning on finding and going to a chiropractor who can correct the interference. Since experiencing first hand the benefits of chiropractic, aswell as the potential harm of poor technique, in my opinion it really depends on the practicioner. Perhaps you can make some recommendations?
About the Vitamin C Foundation, yeah, I found that shortly after learning the protocol. I think Owen Fonarrow has an ebook out about the protocol aswell. It's pretty interesting.
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This is a reply to # 1,232,179I just know a handful of chiros who do the manipulaton you are used to (only they know how to do it correctly!) But, I always did mainly Activator. You can find an advanced level Activator doctor at
http://www.activator.com
What city do you live in?- Re: Insight, are you still.... Insight
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This is a reply to # 1,232,246I live in southern California, near San Diego. LA isn't too far away either.
Thanks for the link.
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This is a reply to # 1,232,179I have heard of chiropractors who use techniques like that. Perhaps I haven't learned my lesson, but I am still planning on finding and going to a chiropractor who can correct the interference. Since experiencing first hand the benefits of chiropractic, aswell as the potential harm of poor technique, in my opinion it really depends on the practicioner. Perhaps you can make some recommendations?
JAB
I use to have back problems and went to a chiropractor. I eventually found that 90% of all back problems is from lack of flexibility and strength in the muscles. The only way in the World to achieve this is in the link below.
http://www.mattfurey.com/combat_stretching.html
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This is a reply to # 1,232,052
Colloidal silver and ionic silver are definitely not homeopathic - the more you use of properly made small particle ionic silver of 20 ppm or less concentration, the more effective it is. I suppose one might call it one of the true rarities - an allopathic substance that has no harmful side effects (despite bogus mainstream claims to the contrary). Likely that is because silver itself is a naturally occuring element that is found in nature and has been consumed as a trace element for as long as genus homo and other life forms have existed on earth.
DQ
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This is a reply to # 1,232,052When you make electro- Colloidal Silver you're making Ions of silver in water.
JAB
Yes. About 85 to 95% ions that are superior in many ways. Their is also at least 5% colloidal. You can't get any smaller than an ion.
These ions are unstable and tend to start clumping together (as they lack an electron), which is why after a while you start seeing stuff at the bottom of the bucket.
JAB
False. The ions have a positive charge that repel each other keeping them in suspension for years. The positive charge also attracts them to pathogens. If you don't have a current controlled generator you're going to have larger particles that aren't going to stay in suspension.
This is also why argyria occurs. The ions group together in pieces to large for the body to excrete, so it stores in in the fat tissue.
JAB
False. Argyria occurs because of inferior silver products with high PPM, silver compounds etc. sometimes they add salt or use tap water without a current limiter circuit. Then they drink world record amounts.
Additionally, ions are usually bad for you,
JAB
http://www.silvergen.com/cancer_and_silver.htm
and will suppress certain functions of the immune system(CD4 and CD8). Ionic-silver also becomes silver chloride once reaching the stomach, and becomes worthless. Etc., etc.
JAB
Firstly the idea that silver ions precipitate out in the alimentary
tract, and never make it to the blood stream, is pure speculation.
This theory is most eloquently proposed by Purest Colloids who market
a product of high elemental colloid percentage.
However the theory, I believe, is pretty much debunked by an article
which is (ironically) found on the Purest Colloids sister web site:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/AltmanStudy.PDF
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This is a reply to # 1,232,052Silver Ions have the same charge and similar charges repel so how do these ions clump together? The CD4 and CD8 mentioned by Invive etc misquoted research, in which silver ions actually returned the levels to normal. Metallothionein in the saliva transports, zinc, copper, and silver ions through the gastric juices, and past the chlorides in the blood to the cells. The Silver Chloride myth was disproved by Altman's study (he measured silver excretion from generated silver). All forms of silver cause argyria if taken in excess, more cases with MSP and argyria than any other form of Colloidal Silver
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