"its very interesting, especially since it makes the case that most 'conspiracy theorists' make without any allusions to the illuminati or reptilians or secret masonic orders, etc. "
This Rothkopf work looks interesting. Did he really makes the same case accorded to most conspiracy theorists without the same allusions the latter is said to be known for?.... similar case, that makes more sense. Something, meaning, content, must have been reduced, eliminated, sanitized or avoided in the translation. Give it some time. It would not surprise to see that eventually "Superclass" will have become (if it has not already) just another one among an endless series of trigger words invented to prop up the increasing needs of reality phobes who have been conditioned to immediately have their critical thinking processes triggered into short-circuit mode at the mere mention of specific words. This then will leave most conspiracy students - be they realists or theorists, back at the same square one; looking for new ways to sneak important information past the invisible defense mechanisms unknowingly built into and around the minds of of reality phobes so as to avoid awareness of critical realities.
By my estimation, it doesn't matter what kind of seemingly safe name word / label device is come up with. Eventually, a typical reality phobe will start to see where the discussion is goiing - towards discussion of the conspiracy for world control. At this point, it really doesn't matter what alternate name was thought up. We can go with Ropkof's "super class "... or call it Barney or Bambi, Tinkerbell, sugar, ice cream, whatever warmNfuzzy name imaginable. Once the conditions necessary to trip a given tip wiire have been put in place, about the only thing left to happen is for it to eventually activate, after which the automatic associations take place; "world control by a relative few elite people... business men, entrepreneurs ... super class ?.... hmmmm, that looks & smells an awful lot like the same old silly illuminati notion for which it is not conceivable that any sane person would consider, ergo it must be yet another whack theory".
Don't get me wrong. I know that this is a challenging prospect, one I've struggled with. I say this without making any assumptions that I am or am not among "most conspiracy theorists". There is an assumption involved; that people trying to make the case for conspiracy generally do so with the desire that other people will become interested enough in information that they then are motivated to continue on their own in learning / studying more on the topic. Therein, part of the trick is coming up with a way of making a case involving a collective situation influenced by complex elements that does not put off the average person in some way. From my own observations, many people have become inclined to be put off topics simply because they do involve complex elements. This prospect is then made only worse due to familiar trigger words, triggers that have been embedded into people's minds unawares. Whether it's "illuminati"... "masonry" "reptiles"....."aliens", or even seemingly much simpler, safer words like cupcake, candy and yes, even the simple word "conspiracy", a perfectly fine word in it's own right, any of these can be more than enough to activate embedded triggers
There are many people on who's behalf a case can be made as long as the person making the case has simplified the topic accordingly. My mileage with "simplified accordingly" may vary between yours, Rothkopf's, and pretty much any other next person. Eliminating some of the complex elements is certainly a way to simply a topic accordingly.... after all, most of us are familiar with the mentality of "what you don't know won't hurt you". There are at least some people out there who have also learned that at times "what you don't know will hurt you". It doesn't help simplify matters any that "what you know won't hurt you"...sometimes, but other times it will.
I am not attacking or dismissing what you say. Maybe Ropkof has come up with a really good way for minimizing or avoiding a too-familiar situation; people put off at the mere mention of certain words. By implication, you know how most conspiracy theorists operate. I am taking you to task on that assertion since it is a pretty broad stroke to paint with. While I have observed that people trying to make a given case involving given elements of conspiracy at times will introduce information generally interpreted at face value to be fantastical and or speculative, I personally do not have enough information and do not have enough of my own observations of this phenom to be confident in saying that I know how most conspiracy theorists operate in this context. There have even been times when I myself, either wittingly or unknowingly, was propagating conspiracy theory. Eventually I discovered that there is enough conspiracy reality to be concerned with that there isn't enough time in a day to devote to that plus any of many branches of theory out there. I can make this case without the need for any mention any of the trigger words "allusions" you cited. At the same time, I have also observed that there is a class - industry, of people generally portrayed (self-portrayed ) as placing themselves outside the realm of "conspiracy theorists", which certainly is convenient for them. After which, they promptly go on to devote lots of time attacking "exposing" those people which they have put inside the realm of this very device; "conspiracy theorists".
The media as a concerted industry is also tightly involved with leading the band / parade when it comes to the effort necessary to subtly embed notions into the consciousness of the public parade at large, and subsequently nurture and reinforce these. Be aware that outside the familiar tv and movie outlets, the collective media includes broader categories of information provided as entertainment, all the way down to Micky Mouse theme parks. National tv news outlets "magazines" are specially good for fabricating other people's frame of reference so that they can then tweak, poke, prod and exploit those frames of reference. . As a device, the media as a whole is well represented by TV, a device widely accepted by the masses as a routine visitor "friend" nattering away endlessly from some corner in a room, 24-7-365 . Outwardly, this friend only transmits "talks". It might be able to receive "hear" but generally gives no outward indication it is capable of such, and no, clicking a button on the remote to order a pizza or premium movie does not genuinely qualify in this context. TV has become the supreme author of thoughts to be churned into the stream of public consciousness that often masquerades as the face of popular culture. It's supporting personalities have become quite skilled at setting up the associations between elements of conspiracy - elements often based in reality and not theory, and through well constructed, well choreographed, uninterrupted speech/preach/dialog, use these - their own constructs, to then tear down other people, target people, for being in some way associated with the blame for all these bizarre, fantastical allegations ....connected with the obligatory masons, aliens .... reptiles and the like.
Some of what I say here is based on somewhat dated information. Maybe since the time I began to unplug, the tv & big screens and printing houses have changed their ways and transitioned away from these routine tactics. I don't for one minute expect that the Disneylands of the world have transitioned away from the the same kinds of tactics. This empire is wholly built and dependent upon allusions to words and ideas that strike unfounded fear into people's minds.... that's sort of what makes the entertainment world go around. They may not overtly exploit the most familiar, text book type of bogeymen words, like "illuminati" and "masons", but I'm pretty sure that there is a wide cast of alien and reptiles characters in the repertoire they are bringing to bear to this day....for entertainment, of course, not to be confused with useful information. The overall point is, there may be more reasons than simply those that seem to be the most evident for why people who discuss conspiracy often do so by making allusions to words that many people have been conditioned to be put off by. Maybe this would not be such the routine phenom if just the news reporting sector of the collective media was to stop including this in the daily routine of it's craft.
What you have posted is not really incompatible at all with the idea of an Illuminati type plan dating back centuries. It is just that the layers have not been pulled back enough to reveal who and what lies below the so-called Super Class. Look at the role of the Rothschilds over the past few centuries and look at the role of that family and their close assoiciates over the past several decades.
Better still, take a look at the wealthiest and most influential in the group of 6,000 and see just how many of them are members of the Masons and other secret societies. I think the truth, if revealed, would be staggering.
Regardless of the semantics, the end result is our world being remade into a one world government with a servant class ruled over by an elite class and thier key minions. Ron Paul and other estimate their number as about 20,000 people. A mere 20,000 people who against the entire rest of the world and they are winning badly.
We must all realize that at the very top of those who really control the world is a class of people who view the rest of humanity as an inferior sub species - and who have lived a lifestyle we can only imagine, with contstant "sub human" servants at their beck and call from the moment they awake until they are tucked into bed. Many of the wealthiest families have lived this way from cradle to grave, some dating back generations.
They are groomed, clothed, fed, chaufered, piloted, gardened, maintained, virtually every minute of the day in isolation from the commoners in their limos, luxury properties, jets, yachts, private clubs, boardrooms, exclusive restaurants and yes, secret societies. In their view, we exist mainly to serve them - and the ones at the very top believe that there is a very large excess of servants who are occupying THEIR property and using THEIR vital resouces.
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Shape shifting reptillians is a bit of a stretch. On the other hand I DO know about the Masons and what happens at their upper levels.
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Just pointing out a few things here, namely some inconsistency to what you appear to be saying as well as the use of trigger words & phrases sprinkled throughout what you said:
"...to stay with concepts that can be proven and shone to be true....";
This is among the gold standards and remains as one of the more common trigger phrases that people can be observed parroting these days. While not always the case, it is often accompanied by people who ask for proof without ever providing example of what constitutes proof in their opinion. This is just my opinion but people who regularly fall into this "yeah, but where's the proof" trap generally seem to be people who are attempting to disprove something by way of asking for proof which they do not bother to qualify. This implies that proof, rare and ephemeral at best, nebulous to non-existent for the masses at worst, has been rendered into universally accepted boiler plate. Unfortunately, proof generally does not exist as such. By extension, the person seems to be asking for something that they themselves do not know the quality of by way of example IE> does not know what they are asking for. The real beauty in the design of this trigger is that it is embedded in a way that the person who really does not know what they are asking for generally does not let that get in the way of asking for it nonetheless. In this instance, you at least provided a nod in that direction of what you consider proof in this context ".... concepts that can be proven and shone to be true..... like this guy..." Correct me if I'm mistaken but you are holding this guy up as an example of what meets your standard of proof in this context, right? Meanwhile, another trigger phrase follows, one that, coincidentally, in just the past 1 to 2 years alone has been popularized, near instantly, at the speed of media, through saturation repetition via the media ...." .. and if its just something you read on the internet..." People say this "...just something on the internet..." as though it's a bad thing. How is something / anything found on the internet any different from, say, something found on TV, or on the radio, or in a newspaper, or at a movie house, or in a book, or heard during a conversation among people, or even seen with one's own two eyes? Again, there is an unspoken implication here; that the internet is somehow lacking credibility in ways that all these other avenues to information, apparently, presume to possess.
By the way, for the time being, Ropkopf is merely some guy that I read about, today, for the first time, on the internet, by way of your post. If I go with the route of ".....just something on the internet..." fear, I guess this means I should avoid Ropkopf like the plague. On the other hand, you seem to be holding him up as though he is a genuinely good example. Which is it? Is he bad, as in internet bad, or is he good, as in, A-OK because you give me your personal assurance? Before you answer, rest assured that I will be happy to point you in the direction of non-internet, non-media, non-hearsay sources of origin wherein upper level masons themselves reported what they know about the upper levels of masonic orders. The sources of origins were in large part published documents, loosely what many people know as "books", authored by various people claiming to have spent many years as high level masons, authored during a time decades to centuries before the internet ever came along. However, in many cases, long after those folks left the physical plane, the internet came along, and now has become a conduit "links" to many types of information INCLUDING some of these very same sources of origin.... does this mean that those sources of origin are now retroactively tainted because they have subsequently been propagated by the internet wherein somebody is now subject to going out and finding it as "oh, oh no, just another something I read on the internet" ?
This is just my opinion, an opinion based on the overall impression I got sometime last night after my last post. I kept thinking and wondering about why you keep bringing up fantastical examples that are broadly known to be found in the collective world of conspiracy theory BUT are by and large not to be found here on the forum where you have been voicing your concerns. It may sound odd, or difficult to believe, but just as I was falling asleep last night the thought occurred to me that there is a basis for your concerns that has nothing much to do with what is regularly seen here on this forum, but instead something that is still inside your head because you saw it, somewhere, at one time, possibly on the internet.
trust me i have read plenty of info on this subject, more than i care to admit.
It took a while for that to sink in. Leading up to that, I kept trying to remember when, recently, somebody, anybody here on this forum - Conspiracy, posted their opinion that masons and reptiles and aliens are one and the same, and they are planning to eliminate 85% of humanity. I'm not saying that this kind of radical conspiracy theory stuff has never appeared within this forum, but I honestly cannot remember the last time somebody posted that kind of extreme opinion to this forum. Just to counter myself a bit, I recall posting information in the past, some time around 6 to 12 months ago, and this information did in fact include mention of things like .... Jimmy Carter's Global 2000 Study. To the best of my knowledge, Global 2000 Study is pure reality, it is not a matter of theory, but is a matter of public record....anyway, by reading your posts to this thread, one might easily get the idea that this forum is constantly being bombarded with posters posting of masonic reptiles and aliens who intend to take over the world and eliminate most of the population. I just have not seen it. Maybe it's being brought here but, unwittingly, my filters have allowed me to avoid noticing it.
Anyway, just before I fell asleep last night, which was actually early this morning, I wondered if perhaps the main basis of concern that you've voiced in this thread is not the result of what people are posting this forum, and is not the result of other people who may be true conspiracy theory whackos littering this forum with that kind of info, but perhaps is the result of you having spent more time on this kind of info than even you care to admit.....info that is certainly easy to find out there, on the internet, off the internet. I am not aware that anyone is arguing and trying to make the case that THAT kind of stuff is not out there, I just don't see lot of that being brought here to this forum on Curezone. That said, maybe the filtering methods I use when reading stuff in this forum has gotten to the point where I am automatically avoiding those kinds of sources being brought here and I don't realize it .... or maybe it's somewhere in between. I dunno, but this is my opinion. No offense intended.
My uncle (my legal guardian) and my grandfather (my adoptive father after my mother died of polio when I was 16 months old) were both 32nd degree Masons and I myself was briefly a member of the Order of DeMolay. All Masons below 33rd degree are led to believe that the Masonic Order is a benevolent and beneficient one centered around good deeds and responsible citizenship. Only at the 33rd degree and above is it revealed that the order actually worships and serves Baal.
Candidates for the 33rd degree are given a test in which they are asked to renounce Jesus Christ and spit on the cross and pledge ultimate loyalty to the Order. Those who refuse to do so are congratulated for what wonderful people they are. Those who comply pass the test and become 33rd Degree Masons whereupon they pledge their absolute loyalty to that Order at the forfeiture of their life if they ever break the pledge.
One of the rites of initiation to being a 33rd Degree Mason is to witness and/or take part in human sacrficie - as confimed by a lifelong Mason in his deathbed confession to his family, where he described the abduction of a homeless man, whom they tied to a railroad track and then stood by and watched him being run over by the train - and I know the family.
Why do you suppose that secret societies such as the Masons and Skull and Bones have existed through the centuries - and why are they so secretive? And why have so many powerful people belonged to them? It isn't because they love to play tennis or chess together.
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But what I just posted is something you read on the internet. How do you know that I did not make the entire post up? I didn't of course, but how do you KNOW?
In part, perhaps you know because you have experienced my openess and honesty here at CureZone. But my point is, if someone else you did not know had posted it, you would likely find it much less believeable. That is to be expected. When we are confronted with information that goes against what we have been taught or what we have experienced it is natural for us to be very skeptical.
Just because something is on the internet does not make it false or true - and, lacking solid proof, we tend to judge such information according to our own perceived reality. My point is that much of what most people perceive as reality is a filtered and distorted false reality. Just like the so-called democratic presidential elections.
Thus the reality of secret societies and the centuries old plan for domination are perceived as unreality by most of us because of our conditioned point of reference. Only when we are able to cast aside the "this can't possibly be true" blinders we have been shackled with and look at any and all information as neither untrue or true - in essence look at the information and seek out the facts from a null point of reference - will we be able to make better judgments.
I realize that is a tall order.
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