Definetly agree with the colon cleansing/ parasite killing--

Just a note on what my two killed Tapeworms looked like in the toilet- my husband was laughing at how "normal" it's become to talk about BM's- although he's one to flush and not look normally--

Both of the ones I killed, both within a month, but definetly two different tape worms, one biting on the left side, one biting on the right side- came out blown up, in blobs of dark brown,almost black mucousy looking stuff--skin seperate. You'd think from looking at the pictures that it would be one big long white thing, but mine wasn't- is that how yours was? And like I've said, it took several days of eliminating the things- even with coffee enemas, but I did look for the heads and found them too. No, I wouldn't have wanted to have looked at them like you did, just having them in the jar to show my husband was enough- I've seen the pictures on the internet (UGLY!) to imagine they were attached to you! Damn, no wonder they hurt so bad!

My husband surprised himself yesterday by having a sudden urge to go...and came out of the bathroom with the funniest look on his face " I don't know what I killed, but I just pooped a bunch of skin!" I told him to expect he wasn't done yet, sure enough :) But, his was the same thing, skin seperate, blobs of dark brown, mucousy stuff.

Remember the picture I emailed you of the long, 3 ft "thing" I didn't know if it was a worm, or mucoid? I'm positive it wasn't mucoid, and was indeed a zoomatic round worm. I've had some big round worms like you're talking about, 12-15 inches and as thick around as one of my fingers...kind of twisted, rope looking- brown. Not mucoid. I did have eliminate mucoid with the colon cleansing stuff the Dr. had me taking/along with parasite cleansing- these were round worms. I've also killed round worms, and had the "bot fly larvae" looking things floating in the toilet-with obvious baby worms inside of them- that happened several times...and both times when I had started the two seperate rounds of ozonated oil/L-Cysteine.

I haven't had baby worm hatchings--what I've killed has definetly been ones that have been there a good long time--and yes, cloves DO penetrate the eggs.

Zapping has definetly killed big round worms too. I could freak people out if I wanted to...but when I can feel that I am hammering one with the zapping, I'll keep after it- I literally felt one "pop" in the exact spot I knew where I was hitting one...and it was in the toilet the next day.

The VRM2 from Systemic Formulas that the Dr has had me on specific for roundworms/tapeworm-- works, but it's a 90 day committment right off the bat, and NO red meat. On it 15 days, off 5 days. It's been since the first part of Dec since I've had beef- we own a ranch and have 2 freezers full right now of our own grass-fed, organic, prime beef. Has it been easy when my husband has been cooking/eating it? No, but it's now going on 120 days, still testing as being effective in killing the round worms--I'll keep off of it as long as I have to. It is the one that has the bromelain in it too.

The interesting thing about the herbal products/protocals that the ND type Dr's have in their manuals in their offices- you'd never know what they're purpose was for-- because of FDA regulations- the label, and any information you'll find on them on the internet say "For detoxification". There's good quality herbal products that are available through ND's- I was just lucky to have found a good one.

The ascaris/roundworm are tough ones!

What cleanses did you use? I'm afraid you may be making ppl paranoid. We all have to die of something you know.