MMS and pH level question 
Douie
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I have just discovered Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , and before starting to use it, I have some questions relating to pH levels in the body and how Miracle-Mineral-Supplement affects those.
I heard Jim Humble say that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement "will destroy all things in the body that are below the pH of 7, that anything below 7 is too acid and thus pathogenic. .The concern I have with that statement is this: different organs, tissues, and therefore cells in the body have different acidity levels. There is no one pH of the body. For example, the pH of the stomach is around 2 (quite acidic), the skin is 6.2, urine 6.5, large intestine 5.5, saliva 7.0. Some tissues and cells in the body therefore are naturally more acidic than 7.0. These varying pH levels provide not only optimal function (e.g.,stomach acid helps protein breakdown), but also serve to create resistance to infection. I also believe these varying pH levels serve to "dump" excess acid from the tissues, thus serving a beneficial purpose.
The ideal pH of the blood is 7.46, give or take 0.1. Of course the body works hard to maintain this level through kidney, lung, and metabolic adjustments.
So, if MMS attacks anything below 7.46, does it attack the stomach lining or the large intestine (as examples) because of the low pH in these organs?
Mr. Humble also states that "amazingly enough, all disease pathogens are below the acidic level of the body", inferring that all bacteria, viruses, etc. below the acid level of the body (7.46) are pathogenic and will be destroyed by MMS. To me, this is a concern because there are plenty of beneficial bacteria that reside in our bodies at a much lower pH than our tissues. The ideal pH of the bowel is 5.5 for a very good reason: to keep friendly bacteria such as acidophilus alive and prospering. Acidophilus needs an acid environment, thus the name (acid loving). It's also well known that only about 1 to 2% of all micro-organisms are known to be undesirable or pathogenic. Should we kill all non-pathogens in our bodies that fall below a pH of 7.46? Wouldn't this leave us more vulnerable to pathogenic bacteria and yeast overgrowth?
I would very much welcome elucidation on this, as I would love to take MMS. If anyone can shed some light on this, thank you.
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- Re: MMS and pH level question learn360
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This is a reply to # 1,105,635Hi Douie,
I just wanted to say that that was a heck of a good question, kind of a nice education couched in questioning terms. Those are exactly the kind of more precise answers to the so-called diet dilemma I often find myself in along with all of the supplemental 'stuff' sold here ,there and everywhere along with quick and sometimes too easy answers to the complexity of the human body. that is also somewhat what I alluded to in my questions about the (yet theory)of pleomorphism.
Anyway, nice post, I hope there are those here who might have some useful responses to a worthy inquiry. Due to my concerns about just that---complexity--I have been going very slow with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . I think it may well be powerful medicine, and that is just the point, it deserves respect and understanding going forward.
Best,
Jeffrey
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- Re: MMS and pH level question jfh
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Hulda Clark Cleanses
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Anaerobic is another criteria for Miracle-Mineral-Supplement target of destruction. L. acidophilus can survive nicely in an oxygen environment. Others can too. L. acidophilus also has a pH slightly higher than 2. It is likely that they have to be low pH as well as anaerobic. They also have to be electron donors. Somehow we need to find out how to determine if the pathogen meets all these requirements. I suspect that the cells of our body tissue do not meet ALL these requirements and are therefor safe.
That is also to say that some bad pathogens may be safe as well. - Re: MMS and pH level question boondoc
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This is a reply to # 1,105,635I cannot find in any of his writngs the Quote you give above and having read most everything he has written about Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , and not recalling what you mention, I think you must be mistaken or confused.
In his writing and interviews he mentions that it Kills anerobic(lives best with out oxygen) bacteria but not aerobic bacteria (best with oxygen). Maybe that is the cause of the confusion.
Jim MD - Re: MMS and pH level question Douie
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This is a reply to # 1,105,635In his radio interview with Adam Abraham called "Talk for Food", he said Miracle-Mineral-Supplement will kill all things that are below the pH (7) of the body....a very generalized statement.
I am really not interested in having a debate. I really want to take Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . I have been trying to reduce the substantial heavy metal load in my body for years (acquired through being a glass artist for 20 years with inadequate ventilation). I have also been trying to eradicate the viruses and fungi that co-exist so comfortably with heavy metals.
When I first read about Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , I was so excited, I couldn't wait to get it and start using it. But then I started pondering the things I mentioned in the above post, and would like an answer to them before I start using it.
I have tried many many things in my quest for regaining vibrant health, and as the years go on, I have become a bit more hesitant (and perhaps wise) to jump on the bandwagon and just "simply believe" that " this is it and will fix it all".
I am very open to the possibility that MMS is the miracle it is claiming to be, and I want more information that is grounded in Science and not just supposition before I start taking it.
Douie
- Re: MMS and pH level question boondoc
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This is a reply to # 1,105,840Jim Humble has done many interviews with him, could you please post the link to that one, so I might listen it it also.
Thank you
Jim MD - Re: MMS and pH level question jfh
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"he said Miracle-Mineral-Supplement will kill all things that are below the pH (7) of the body....a very generalized statement." - Douie
That really is a very generalized statement. From everything I've read, 3 things must be in place. The pathogen must be pH < 7. The pathogen must be anaerobic, requiring little or no oxygen. The pathogen must be an electron donor.
The process for chelating metals has different requirements. This process is oxidation, think rust.
- Re: MMS and pH level question Douie
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This is a reply to # 1,105,840Thank you for the clear explanation. That clarifies things more for me.
What I would like to know is if there are non-pathogenic anaerobes existing in the body that are beneficial in the body. Does anyone know?
Jim, I 'm pretty sure this is the radio interview I listened to.
http://www.podango.com/podcast.php?podcastId=1461&episodeId=48723
It can be found on the "about Miracle-Mineral-Supplement " link at
http://www.mmsmiracle.com.
There are 3 interviews there and I think it is the one titled Miracle-Mineral-Supplement :Simplified.
I am not positive though. If I remember correctly, 2 of the interviews may be the same.
Douie
- Re: MMS and pH level question boondoc
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- Re: MMS and pH level question ldsfireguy
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This is a reply to # 1,105,635Those are some excellent questions. Here is my own information, from my own research and experience:
I have been using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement /sodium chlorite on and off for 4 years, and I am aware of many hundreds of others who have done likewise. I have never had a problem with my own organs being attacked or destroyed by it, and I have also found that my beneficial flora actually proliferate when I am combining the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol with a greener style of eating.
MMS goes after organisms that are BOTH acidic and anaerobic. So, beneficial flora, which may be acidic but are always aerobic (oxygen metabolizing), do not fill both criteria. Likewise for our own body cells and tissues, which are aerobic.
If Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , which can be considered almost explosive in the way it oxidizes stuff that meets both conditions, directly oxidized our living, healthy cells then it would start right in the mouth and we would feel it immediately.
Please be assured that in my own 4 years experience, and in the experience of the hundreds of others I know who have used it, there has never been a case of harm to our own body tissues from low-dose MMS. Also, this is backed up by Humble's own experiences with the 70,000 plus people he has treated.
MMS does exactly what he says it does, but it absolutely MUST be combined with diet and lifestyle changes to achieve optimal health.
The combination of these two factors (acidity and anaerobic metabolism) is the key to understanding the selective cleansing that goes on with MMS.- Re: MMS and pH level question jfh
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"So, beneficial flora, which may be acidic but are always aerobic (oxygen metabolizing), do not fill both criteria." - ldsfireguy
Thanks for this Scott. I'm still on the hunt for supporting documentation regarding the good bacteria being aerobic. I wish you had some.
- Re: MMS and pH level question Electric Mind
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- Re: MMS and pH level question alberta
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This is a reply to # 1,105,963Hey, Idsfireguy, as usual, your posts are SOOOO educational and appreciated. You may be able to answer my question.
I, on a couple of different days, activated the mms, waited three minutes, mixed it with 1/2 cup of organic grape juice, then gradually drank it down in a sipping manor, swixhing it in my mouth each time before swallowing. The day after (on each occasion), my tongue was sore and felt as if it had been burned. This does pose the question to me as to whether the mms is having any like effect on the esophagus or stomach lining. On both occasions, I did drink water after the last of the mms was consumed. The mixture was 8 drops of mms and 40 drops of lemon juice.
Any input???- Re: MMS and pH level question ldsfireguy
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This is a reply to # 1,106,278I don't know ... I do not swish it myself, but have heard of others who do so. I also am aware that sodium chlorite in solution is available commercially for oral hygiene, but that is very likely at a lower ppm.
If it bothered you topically in your mouth, then maybe you should only swish it at a lower dosage.
Was there any lingering after-effect to the "burn", or was it only while you were swishing?
- Re: MMS and pH level question ldsfireguy
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- Re: MMS and pH level question jfh
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- Wow, some of you really know your st... #69242
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This is a reply to # 1,105,635There were some very educated answers provided here. It is so nice when there are intelligent people who have taken the time to educate themselves and then are willing to pass their knowledge onto others.
I would love to hear an educated opinion from a doctor, microbiologist or other specialist in the field of biology who actually understands how these things work, but I guess that won't be today.
Thanks again! - Re: MMS and pH level question Electric Mind
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WOW--a lot has happened on this list overnight!
Although I cannot specifically address your Miracle-Mineral-Supplement -related pH question (though it is a good one), I want to applaud you for recognizing the complexity of the pH issue. There is, in fact, tremendous variability throughout specific areas of the body with respect to "optimal pH" and, therefore, this makes for a very confusing and misleading issue. The optimal pH range of the blood is, by the way, between 7.35-7.45 (some say 7.38 and 7.40 is closer to optimal)... Furthermore, the primary means of regulating blood pH is (believe it or not) though breathing. Breathing has the strongest influence over CO2 levels of anything, by far. This isn't to say that other things can't affect pH, but breathing is #1....And too alkaline (too low a level of CO2...known as hypocapnia) can be as damaging and problematic as too low a pH. Optimal pH for the colon is closer to 4. Salivary and urine pH are entirely different, still. Therefore, using pH tapes to measure "body alkalinity" is a bit dubious an exercise, at best. Interestingly, salivary pH values below about 7.2-7.4 can be an indication of essential fatty acid need.
I look forward to other postings on this issue, as I think you raise a legitimate question.
~EM - Re: MMS and pH level question Sj1
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This is a reply to # 1,105,635You raise a good question. My understanding of this is that whilst PH levels are maintained to the levels you mention there will be a fight going on. As blood has to maintain itself at around 7.4PH this is not ideal for pathogens, therefore pathogens will look to find acidic areas within the body to thrive. An example would be Sugar in your diet will allow acid to build up in areas of the body such as fat and organs where pathogens will flourish. Miracle-Mineral-Supplement will by its method kill pathogens in an acidic environment but how does that work? Think of your body as a house. In the kitchen a small fire starts (pathogen) if you leave the fire to burn it will take over the house and cause extensive damage. You then throw a bucket of water over the fire to extinguish it (MMS / Chlorine dioxide). This kills the problem and the rest of the house is now ok. Unfortunately you have now damaged the paintwork and this needs to be repaired. In order to repair the damage you need to use paint (antioxidants) to make everything fine again. You could not use paint on the fire or whilst the water is still wet as it would make matters worse but once the problem has been sorted the paint will keep everything looking and feeling nice again. It has been proven that when we have a virus our body reduces Vitamin C by 70% to allow oxidation in our body with T-cells because antioxidants prevent oxidisation which is how we kill the nasty stuff. We do not want to keep ourselves in this state for too long so once the problem is solved we should look to alkaline our body again making it an inhabitable environment for future pathogens. An occasional Miracle-Mineral-Supplement dose to keep on top of things would be advisable but keeping your body in a healthy state with good food, minerals and vitamins is the best way to stay in good health. The bottom line is - you sometimes have to fight fire with fire but slow down once that battle has been won.
This is just my theory based on research and not scientifically proven so I welcome any feedback from those with further ideas
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