Contra-indications for Betaine HCL? 
theNortherner
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One of my problems I have been trying to address for years is that I'm really underweight.
I came across a post on CZ that supplementing with Betaine HCL has helped someone in a big way and so naturally i want to try it:)
Just wondering if it will be a problem, since HCL is acid. On the other hand, it's the same acid produced by our stomachs.
Which brings another interesting question. Does Miracle-Mineral-Supplement neutralize stomach acids???- FireGuy would know! spdina
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This is a reply to # 1,066,647If I remember correctly that is how Sodium Chlorite was used in the protocol Scott was following for many years. The stomach acids were activating it.
- Re: FireGuy would know! theNortherner
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,066,650It's kind of strange how it takes an acid to activate it, but if it oxidizes anything above ph7, what happens to the acid? Unless there's chemistry at work that I don't understand.
- Re: FireGuy would know! ldsfireguy
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- Re: FireGuy would know! theNortherner
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- Re: Contra-indications for Betaine H... me1101
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This is a reply to # 1,066,647You have to turn sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide by activating it before it gets to stomach acid. If you don't activate it the stomach acid will immediately take it to the salt and water stage and almost none will be available for use in the body. It would be like taking a standard "stabilized oxygen" product.
If you have a shortage of stomach acid I don't think it will hurt to take Betaine Hydrochloride (a separate time) with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . And I don't think Miracle-Mineral-Supplement will neutralize stomach acid to any large degree.
In other words. We have to take a weak acid and activate it before it comes into contact with a strong acid or it loses it's staying power,
I don't think I'm explaining this well, but I had the same question a while back and I searched for the answer and it was this only worded better!- Re: Contra-indications for Betaine H... jfh
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This is a reply to # 1,066,758"You have to turn sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide by activating it before it gets to stomach acid." That is why the folks, who have been taking Stabilized Oxygen products for years, are just lucky. Not only is it a mild concentration of sodium chlorite; but it is luck when it really becomes useful as chlorine dioxide. This is clearly what is so important and clever about the invention of the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol. We want to ingest chlorine dioxide; not sodium chloride.
MMS does not just react with acid; especially after it has been converted to chlorine dioxide. It reacts to acid bearing electron donors - bad pathogens. Those are the pathogens that are anaerobic and in the low pH (<7).- Re: Contra-indications for Betaine H... ldsfireguy
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This is a reply to # 1,066,893"You have to turn sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide by activating it before it gets to stomach acid." That is why the folks, who have been taking Stabilized Oxygen products for years, are just lucky"
I don't think that I completely agree with you on this, but the point is probably moot. Hydrochloric Acid is the acid of choice in producing chlorine dioxide from sodium chlorite in many if not most purifying applications (which is basically what we are doing in the body).
Dr. Young performed many tests for several years before recommending this protocol of using the HCl in the stomach to activate the NaClO2. And there have been so many thousands helped this way, and so very few who were not, that it probably was not a matter of luck.
In some ways, that method is better than the external pre-activation ... there are so many more adverse detox reactions from the increased potency, and it becomes so easy for people in their enthusiasm to overdo it, then stop the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement while they recoup ... then re-start all over again.
For anything that is very serious, or very persistent, the pre-activation is far superior; but in other circumstances, such as for the walking unwell, either moderate dosages of the pre-activated Miracle-Mineral-Supplement or straight NaClO2 will work wonders over time.
- Re: Contra-indications for Betaine H... me1101
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This is a reply to # 1,067,541I'm guessing then that during that first 3 years you took the lower dose, you were not activating but letting your own HCL activate? That is good news. Because in some cases, like my dad, he is not well enough physically or mentally to make his own. Right now someone is always there to make it for him. But he could just use the drops without activating in water when we either want to give it to him twice a day or up the amount so much that it tastes bad. He can be picky, and stuff we might put up with he may not. And animals also would not drink the pre-activated.
I will still activate mine, but I thank you for letting us know it isn't useless in that form, but instead very effective as well.
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- Re: Contra-indications for Betaine H... ldsfireguy
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This is a reply to # 1,066,758I think that HCL will activate it just fine ... the pre-activation process allows the production of chlorine dioxide even before ingestion.
HCL would also act as a pre-activator, except that you would not be able to ingest it. HCL is often used as the activator for sodium chlorite to produce chlorine dioxide in industrial and purifying applications. The end products are basically chlorine dioxide and sodium chloride (salt).
From Wicki:
"Traditionally, chlorine dioxide for disinfection applications has been made by one of three methods using sodium chlorite or the sodium chlorite - hypochlorite method:
2NaClO2 + 2HCl + NaOCl → 2ClO2 + 3NaCl + H2O
or the sodium chlorite - hydrochloric acid method:
5NaClO2 + 4HCl → 5NaCl + 4ClO2"
- Preparation of sodium chlorite zein
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This is a reply to # 1,067,529dear every body.
I hope you can help me preparing sodium chlorite (NaClO2). If any body has an idea about its preparation I hope he/she will give me an idea. I am in a bad need to prepare it.
thank you in advance
- Preparation of sodium chlorite zein
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- Re: Contra-indications for Betaine H... ldsfireguy
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This is a reply to # 1,066,647HCl will act as an activator for Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ... in fact, it is very often the activator of choice in purifying applications for water or food service.
If you take the HCl near the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , it will activate it, or make it more potent. If you take the HCl with meals (which is probably the protocol), and keep your Miracle-Mineral-Supplement away from it a bit (say 1/2 hour or more), then there will be no interaction at all.
Either way, there should be no problem at all with taking HCl while using MMS.
- FireGuy would know! spdina
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