I have been reading a lot about how commerical processed vitamins don't have much value.
They don't. It is my belief based partly on experimentation, common sense, and a few scientific and semi-scientifc studies that this is true. You can click the blue nautilus above my monkier and find some links.
Google "Dr. Shulze" And read about what he says commercial vitamins are. He doesn't say anything nice about them. GNC vitamins = Junk. Go to Herbal Apothecary or Dr. http://www.HerbDoc.com
and get his nutritional supplements.
You could not pay me to take this garbage.
The formulas contain a lot of herbs that are not "healthy" such as coffee, guarana, kola nut, which contain caffeine that weakens adrenal function and immunity, the berberine herbs (goldenseal, Oregon grape root, barberry) that kill the flora, damage the intestinal lining and raise blood pressure by depleting potassium, and stimulant laxatives (senna, cascara sagrada, rhubarb root, and aloe species) that weaken the intestinal muscles leading to a laxative dependence in as little as a few weeks of use. Yohimbe, which is damaging to the liver and kidneys. This is also a very unstable herb losing its vasodilating effect after a few months of being dried or if added to alcohol, such as the tinctures it is used in.
Another problem is poor design of the formulations. For example, in some of the formulas he adds uva ursi. The most common formulating mistake I see is people putting high tannin herbs, such as uva ursi, in to formulations. The problem with this is that tannins bind the active components of other herbs such as alkaloids and glycosides and various nutrients rendering them useless to the body. Therefore the addition of high tannin levels decreases the effectiveness of formulations. Other herbs used in the formulas that are high in tannins include white oak bark and raspberry leaf.
In addition the uva ursi is added to formulations for long term use. But uva ursi is not to be used for more than 4 days without a break since it can irritate or damage the kidneys with longer use.
If you check the Female "Shot" and Nerve Formula you will see blue cohosh listed as an ingredient. This herb is actually considered to be quite toxic and should be avoided.
Another example of poorly designing a formula is in the kidney formulas, which contain horsetail herb (shavegrass). Horsetail grass constricts blood vessels reducing the blood supply to the organs. Since many cases of kidney disease result from a lack of blood flow to the kidneys, such as from diabetes or the use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), further reducing blood flow to the kidneys in a kidney formula is simply ridiculous!!!
In addition, there are herbs in the formulas that really should not be taken together such as lobelia and ginger. So taking several different of these formulas at the same time could be quite dangerous.
This is a good example though of why I wrote this earlier post on the dangers of not understanding the chemistry of herbs when designing formulations:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1803305#i
Care to explain to me how Dr. Shulze cured all his patients with this stuff then?
I can show you huckster faith healers that have also claimed to have cured a lot of people. Because they claim it this makes it true? Let's see the proof of all these people he supposedly cured. And proof that is was the formulas he makes and not something like a change in diet or exercise that cured these people.
And how many problems occured from the use of poorly designed formulas and dangerous herbs in the formulas?
I don't know much about the Herbs you listed.
Then you should research them. This is why people get in to trouble with herbal medicines. They don't bother researching the facts about the herbs in some formulas and take them blindly based on testimonials that nobody can tell if they are real.
But there nutritional supplements are made up of whole foods. I don't think there is a higher source of vitamins and minerals out there then there superfoods.
LOL!!!! If you say so. I disagree:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1801076#i
Your twisting everything. I am not doing the 30 day cleans program. I am buying his superfood supplements. You should actually read what I post before accusing me of things I didn't say.
I did not accuse you of anything, why are you being so paranoid? Is it a side effect of the supplements you are taking? If you read my post I linked an old post about some of the herbs in Schulze's formulas that have well known side effects. Among them was the the Superfood, which contains blue-green algae, technically not an algae but rather a cyanobacteria, that contains microcystins and anatoxins. These are toxic to the nervous system and liver, not to mention the algae is harvested from highly polluted Klamath Lake. Look up the studies on the lake. They are trying to figure out how to clean the lake up due to all the agricultural runoff, including herbicides and pesticides, and other pollutants in the lake. In fact, you cannot grow algae or these cyanobacteria, in a "pristine" lake as the company who harvests the garbage claims the lake is. Anyway, the link was to a post that was written before you posted about taking the herbs, but it had a reference to the blue-green algae in the Superfood, which is why I linked it. So to simplify all this so you can understand it, the link to my old post was not about you!!!
Once again I am talking about the SUPERFOODS.
And once again that is why I linked the post that discussed it, rather than retype it. The post was written before I even knew you existed and thus was not about you.
I didn't refer anyone to buy any herbs. And before you badmouth Dr. Shulze you really should do some research into the people he has cured.
What I don't like is the herbs he chose for the formulations. Many of them have well known side effects or interactions with other herbs. There are more effective and safer herbs that do not adversely interact with each other. Which is why I say that if people are going to design herbal formulations then they should keep up on the chemistry of the herbs to reduce the risk of side effects and adverse herb interactions. Do you disagree?
As for "people he cured" as I pointed out a lot of people claim to have cured thousands. But they never seem to be able to provide the proof. Just like there is a real popular troll here on CZ who claims the protocol he pushes has cured numerous people as well. Yet the only research that has been presented shows it does not work, and the testimonials provided are unverifiable. So all we are left with is unverified claims of cures by someone who claims the research proving it works exists but can never present it. Same applies to the various doctors out there who people claim have cured all sorts of people. Are these cures verifiable or just more sales hype?
He does have proof. He ran his own clinic for years upon years and has evidence of people he has treated and cured.
And again, where is this evidence? And how many failures were there and how many cases of adverse events from the herbs supplied?
One of the reasons I am so skeptical about these types claims is one that you hear similar hype from MLM companies all the time. All the miracle cures because the people wherever eat this berry or drink this water..... And secondly, claims of cures are frequently exaggerated . For example, doctors claim that chemotherapy has a 70-90% cure rate for cancer, but the research shows the average is actually 2-3% except with vincristine and vinblastine for easier to treat cancers like leukemias and lymphomas. These drugs do have around a 70-80% success rate for these cancers due to the fact that these drugs are antiviral and therefore address the leukemia and lymphoma viruses.
And success rates are often skewed since they can consider a person in remission or that feels better a success. So again, where is the evidence of all these people being cured, or is this simply more unsubstantiated internet hype?
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