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The guy has some good ideas, people, but he doesn't have a ghost of a chance at winning. That's reality! All this other stuff doesn't amount to a hill of beans if he can't win. So much energy, so little pay-off. This is a dead investment, pull your money out before you lose it all. Remember Ross Perot? Ron Paul is a great guy, level-headed, maybe in a different time in history...but he can't win. I'm sorry to break the news to you.
America is now a "victim state". People want to be taken care of. They don't want to pursue their dreams without a security blanket. Ron Paul is big into personal freedom, America isn't. That's what decades of public schooling has produced...and now we all have to live with the fact. When you have 50% of all America with low-to-average-at-best critical thinking ability, you have a recipe for disaster. America isn't a traditional "melting pot" anymore...it's a big pot of soup that was hastily prepared without a recipe book. Ingredients, some good some bad, were thrown into the mix from all directions without any oversight. It's soup alright, but do you really want a taste? I don't. I'm a big conservative capitalist, but I really believe that Hillary is the punishment we need right now. Americans need to know what bad leadership is, need to feel the pain. They need to pay some more taxes. They need to wait in lines for healthcare. They need to be pushed around by lesser foes. The pain of incompetence. The pain of limitless ambition/limited real talent. Republicans in the race are weak. I can admit it. They aren't worthy of my vote. Fred Thompson is a waste of time. Mitt is a mixed-bag. Rudi has some major flaws. McCain is feast or famine. Huckabee isn't national. Ron Paul can't win.
Rudi is going to win this nomination vs. Hillary. Rudi is the ONLY candidate that COULD beat Hillary. Could, but won't. America, the unfortunate way it is, will elect a total fool (Hillary) and we will witness some hardships because of it. We just don't learn from past mistakes. Four years of Hillary might just get the point through to some of America's idiots! Maybe.
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- Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... #88271
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,054,548I guess some people do only vote for who they think might or will win.
I shall vote for whom I think should win. - Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... Zoebess
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This is a reply to # 1,054,548I could probably bash Hillary but would rather
support Ron Paul. More seriously, I have strong
concerns that any of us have a chance against the
voting machines and the political machines which
run them...
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/348/index.html
My support of Ron Paul makes a statement to me
personally, since the values he represent are
ones which I feel most strongly about.
Rudy will have a tough row to hoe and I do not
trust his record with allowing 9-11 to be covered
up the way he did~~and thus, where there is smoke
there is fire...he has LOTS of blood on his hands~~
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/01/491439.aspx
http://www.rense.com/general18/giulianibegin.htm
and if he wins, God help us all~~
http://www.rense.com/general79/few.htm
Not so sure that I would welcome the 2-fer that
Hillary represents. She is conniving too...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/clinton-booed-a.html
she is not the kind of "woman", I want representing
me, for many reasons, but on the surface she is a
crude "dragon" lady~~
http://www.thatpoliticalblog.com/serendipity/archives/562-Hillary-Clinton-to-Secret-Service-Detail-Get-Fucked!.html
you can find a million reasons to worry if Hillary
is elected by digging here~~
http://www.google.com/search?q=hillary&hl=en&safe=off&domains=rense.com&sites...
the biggest reason of course, is that she is endorsed
by Bush~!
best wishes,
Zoe
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- Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... telluride
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This is a reply to # 1,054,548You may be right but 8 years of Bush didn't get through to America's idiots, so perhaps there is no hope.
- Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... 2sirius
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This is a reply to # 1,054,548Morondeww it figures you'd support the communist ghouliani!If you think ghouliani is a conservative you are sadly mistaken, but thats nothing new for you!
ghoulinanis support of the mossad taking down the WTC is only supressed by the Rockefeller MSM cabal! He will be exposed in his nighty!
Here is a link you and rudy might enjoy!
http://www.crossdresser.com/index.asp?referrer=google&keyword=crossdresser&gc...
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Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... LuellaMay
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This is a reply to # 1,054,548"I'm a big conservative capitalist, but I really believe that Hillary is the punishment we need right now"
Perish the thought!
The truth is that Hillary will be our next president, only because it has already been decided. Look at all the crime that this family has in its past and present. Anyone else would have been politically ruined by now. Not the Clintons. Everything is merely brushed away. I agree with you about all the other candidates. They are a worthless piece of junk, I believe the worst bunch in history.
The only thing that will prevent Hillary from winning, is a revolution. A Ron Paul Revolution.
I meet the complascent fat, happy sheep every day, yet I believe that if we of a like mind all stood up and insisted that things needed to be righted, it just might happen.
And we are standing. Look at the donations, even from our very own military.
Even though Ron Paul has won every debate and has unsurmountable support, the media distorts everything about him, pokes fun at him, and has him at the bottom rung of every poll. This is a lie.
Even though he has won every debate, he has been ignored and ridiculed, both during and after the debates. The floods of votes are merely ignored and cast aside as though we are the least important segment of society. The sheep are told that we are merely "kooks".
WE ARE NOT "KOOKS". we are the only intelligent faction of society and that is exactly why we are being discredited. We are dangerous. Why, we want our freedoms back!
On Fox news alone I have seen this very sort of thing. Not even insinuating, but stating as a fact that people like us are kooks and even dangerous. I do believe we will be classed as the future "terrorists" of America if we are not now. By the way, the last thing I heard on Fox was that people who claim that they are in danger of their lives by the FBI and CIA, that those who claim they are mind controlled, and have been implanted by chips, are merely mentally ill. That's it, just classify them as crazy. So where do you go for help? Nowhere, as your very own family thinks that you are a kook and will turn you in when the time comes, "for your own good."
I agree with you, this is the Last Hurrah. If Hillary wins, and she will be the one, it is all over. Until then, I will not go down without a fight. Ron Paul is the one lone person fighting for our freedoms, for our constitutional rights. We can't just dismiss this. We must band together with him and make noise. Shout it from the housetops. Out of all those that are the sleeping fat happy sheep, some will wake up.
Hugs,
Luella
- Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... Zoebess
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This is a reply to # 1,054,621What I deeply RESENT is that the media,
in their bend0ver pants will put up a
list of candidates, and at the top of it,
it says, in BIG LETTERS, THESE ARE YOUR
CHOICES~! and Ron Paul's name is left off
on purpose. If we want to live in a country
that is called America, then we need to vote
for Ron Paul. If not, we will be renamed the
North American Union and dat be dat....
NAU Integration Admitted By Manitoba Government - Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br31mdP8-Ug
blessings,
Zoe
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- Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... Healme
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This is a reply to # 1,054,628Even if they pick Rudy and Hillary to run can't you still vote on the ballot for who you want? I can't remember duh if all runners are listed on the ballot or not. I don't want either one of these guys. Alot of people from the media I assume say they don't think he would take Terrorism serious enough or secure our borders at least this is what I have heard. But you are so right that the media hasn't covered him much at all compared to the rest of the candidates. If he still can be voted for even if Rudy is chosen their may still be hope. I wish I didn't have to vote this time but I am going to. I've been thinking of Mike Huckabee if he even stands a chance either yet I know he too is not perfect. I will study up on Ron Paul. I know some things I've heard I do agree with. I do worry about the border situation though and Hillary is a nightmare on this!
- Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... 2Sirius
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This is a reply to # 1,056,871I don't beleive RP is weak on border patrol or illegal immigration . In fact he wants to bring the troops home to guard our borders.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst120207.htm
- Re: is this a "ron paul for presiden... Healme
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This is a reply to # 1,056,878Really? Thats what I've been saying we needed to do for awhile now, for security reasons and open borders makes terror plots easier to carry out. Yeah I agree with him on that but the media is not telling us that. They are saying he doesn't believe we have a problem with Terrorism and therefore don't believe he would protect our borders. Media lies too much!!! Should be against the law!!
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This is a reply to # 1,054,548Yes this is a Ron Paul board.
America is at a tipping point. If the twenty million illegals are allowed to stay,they must be given amnesty and then they will be allowed to bring in another 60 million of their relatives, plus by then we will have a continuous open border policy.
As my Hispanic neighbor says,"As many should be allowed to come as want to." In the 60's the average education of the immigrants was above that of the Americans, now it is below that, way below.
If Billary wins we will see amnesty and an official open border policy. America will become predominantly HIspanic. But the end result will NOT be a socialist america.
The shock of that many foreigners will result in a cultural, and economic disaster that will give the NEOCONs the power to put an end to all social programs from public schools,public medical care, to social security,etc. Americans will become wage slaves.
Ron Paul is the only one independent enough to oppose the illegals. So I will vote for him,though I am a socialist, as a vote for the Republicans is a vote for ones own slavery, as is paradoxically a vote for Billary.
- Re: Yes it is!!!! 2sirius
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This is a reply to # 1,054,630as a vote for the Republicans is a vote for ones own slavery, as is paradoxically a vote for Billary""" your right rokibird! Is there any difference between hillbillary and fruity tooty rooty?
They both support federal funded on demand abortion(soon to be forced abortion) they both love gun control ,they both love huge government and government spending, they both are professional polititions who paid/whored thier way into politics, they both are zionist controlled lapdogs and they both are extrememly ugly, giving creedence to alligations of their lizardhood/alien connection and they both have a sexual perversion!
I think when Rooty was interveiwed by Rockefeller he crossed dressed just to prove he could qualify as the first american women president also!- Re: Yes it is!!!! Tony Isaacs
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- Socialism is slavery neue01
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This is a reply to # 1,054,630Socialism is disgusting. It is theft through the implementation of government force and aggression. I work half of the year for free under current socialist tax laws. This makes me half a slave under force of law. This is a system of tyranny and aggression forcing us into serfs and part-time slaves. Our country claims to be against slavery but then turns around and implements it on it's people. This is why I am voting for Ron Paul. The IRS needs to be abolished once again and freedom needs to return to America.
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This is a reply to # 1,054,963Fascist cronyism Neocon capitalism is slavery too. They will force you to work in sweat shops for 30 cents an hour 1l hours a day , six days a week like they do in China.
Free market (Libertarian) capitalism is just a dream. The Libertarians will promise you Utopia if you give up your socialist programs. Then the Neocons will hijack the government as they already have and you will be left with nothing.- Re: Capitalism is slavery #89122
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This is a reply to # 1,055,435First off nobody is forced to work in a sweatshop. People do choose to work as much as that might be hard to understand from your paradigm.
The problem with fascist capitalism is not the "capitalism" part of the equation but instead the "fascism" part. Because what fascism is is a system of force. In a fascist capitalistic system you have leaders deciding where money will go, what businesses will do well, and what businesses will fail, regardless of what the market place might decide or want on it's own freely.
Capitalism on it's own and especially "free market" capitalism (also called liberal capitalism) is simply pure free choice and voluntarism at root. There is no force involved in pure liberal capitalism. It is people deciding and trading amongst each other in accord with their own wants and desires. It is simply one man deciding if he wants to trade an apple for an orange, with another man who is willing to accept apples for oranges. Make sense? Capitalism is the definition of freedom in economic terms.
Socialism is the opposite. Socialism in essence is the use of economic force and coercion against free people in accord with the morals of the collective and it's leaders. Socialism is a legitimized system of theft and redistribution against the will of those being taken from. It is immoral at root. For example; If a man came to your house and took part of your money by force would that be moral? what if 10 men came to your house and forced money out of you? What if 1,000 men came to your home and forced money out of you? What if 1,000,000 people came to your house and took your money by force? What if that same 1,000,000 people called themselves a government and named their theft "taxes"? Does that suddenly make it moral? Theft is theft my friend and simply giving it a different name does nothing to change that. Your mom taught you not to steal and I say your mom had a good head on her shoulders. ;)
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This is a reply to # 1,055,460So where do they have this free market capitalism that everybody here is talking about?
- Re: Wheres the beef? neue01
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This is a reply to # 1,055,642Free market capitalism is simply capitalism in it's natural free state. It's like asking where is all the pure water (H2O)? It's all around you, it simply just gets mixed up with salt and other things. Underneath it all though is pure water (H2O) at root. The forces of natural capitalism are all around you as well and like (H2O) they are also just mixed with other forces. The less regulation and government you have though the more pure the natural market becomes. This is why countries that push further toward pure liberal capitalism (not fascism) gain massive growth and progress. It is why America became so powerful in it's early birth and why now, as it moves away toward fascism and socialism, it slips. It is also why India and China become more prosperous daily as they embrace natural markets more and more instead of it's opposite communism. They still have a long way to go and America has a long way to go to get back to it's roots. But to answer your question I would say that early america came the closest in the purification of it's markets. But, even it did not go as far as it could.
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This is a reply to # 1,055,722Early america ran on slavery, the theft of the native lands, virgin soils,virgin forests, abundant wildlife, the gold stolen from the natives, etc.
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