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I tried Chelation on the Cutler protocol with ALA only and without DMSA or DMPS. And I posted several messages previously about that. At first it seemed to be helping.
But after doing it for 6 months, bascially, it took all the mercury and heavy metals out of my brain and CNS and dumped it into my liver and endocrine glands.
I'm working with a naturopath now and we are working to get the heavy metals out of my liver. So I guess the moral of the story is, beware of using ALA without another chelator at the same time. It doesn't seem to work well.
And beware trying chelation on your own. I was arrogant to think I could just do it with Andy's book. Its much better to work with a doctor who has experience doing chelation.
Working with kinesiology, the supplements my body is wanting are similar to what Andy's book recommends in some cases, but some of the things I needed were completely off the radar. Its much better to work with someone, chelation is very difficult and I think it affects each of us very differently.
Just some advice for those just starting...
Cheers,
Mike
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I did 4-5 day rounds followed by a week to 2 off for 3 or 4 months. I've had my Amalgams out for almost 3 years. I've had quite a time getting everything out. But its finally coming out now. I'm using DHLA with nano-tized Chorella and it works. I know Andy doesn't like Chorella, but the brand my Naturopath has me on is pulling the stuff out. I'm glad, because I'm tired of this crap. I've used NAC, Cilantro, and ALA all with some success but nothings got it all out.
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TK--- Hi, you neglected to answer the following. If you have the time please - How did you use the ALA - dosage, timing ?- Re: mikeh mikeh
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This is a reply to # 105,234Sorry If I wasn't clear on that.
I started ALA about 25mg every 4 hours for 4 days on, 7 off for a couple months. Then I went to 50mg every 4 hours for 4 days on, 7 off for another month. I did not take DMSA or DMPS with ALA, I didn't want to take anything that wasn't natural.
At around the 3rd month, I started getting worse, leading me to the theory that the mercury was getting stuck somewhere. Then when I quit chelation I got much worse ( metals being re-absorbed or recycled? )
Then I found this naturopath and every Kinesiology test we did came back with heavy metals in the Liver, Kidneys, Colon, parotoids, and para-thyroid.
So I think, at least for me, my body needs more than just ALA to grab them and completely get rid of them.
I posted my original comment just to make sure that anyone else using ALA alone was careful about how they used it.
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Mike
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- Re: mikeh - ALA dosage timing TK2
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This is a reply to # 105,241Sorry If I wasn't clear on that.
TK-- not a problem that is why I asked again.
I started ALA about 25mg every 4 hours for 4 days on, 7 off for a couple months. Then I went to 50mg every 4 hours for 4 days on, 7 off for another month. I did not take DMSA or DMPS with ALA, I didn't want to take anything that wasn't natural.
At around the 3rd month, I started getting worse, leading me to the theory that the mercury was getting stuck somewhere. Then when I quit chelation I got much worse ( metals being re-absorbed or recycled? )
TK--- Imo more likely redistribution from using it every 4hr instead of 3hr.
Then I found this naturopath and every Kinesiology test we did came back with heavy metals in the Liver, Kidneys, Colon, parotoids, and para-thyroid.
So I think, at least for me, my body needs more than just ALA to grab them and completely get rid of them.
TK--- Many people do like me. I can not tollerate ALA without DMPS.
I posted my original comment just to make sure that anyone else using ALA alone was careful about how they used it.
TK--- Along those lines - ALA should also be taken every three hours or more frequently and this may have been the problem as taking it every four hours will cause redistribution and not recommended except for the possibility of the two night doses [if tollerated]. I know for a lot of people even switching to four hour dosing for the two night doses causes to much redistribution and side effects for them to tollerate and they have to stick with 3hr or more often.
Cheers,
Mike
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Nice catch. In practical terms, I take ALA about every 2:30 hour to 2:50 hours. I am fortunate in that my body has no problem with DMSA, but beyond that, I have felt improvements from ALA and the Cutler protocol. My only adverse effect has been increased gastrointestinal bloating, which I am now tackling.
I only wish the process of chelation did not take so long.
TK, maybe you could give a breakdown of what is entailed in obtaining DSMP. What are the costs and avenues to getting a prescription.
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This is a reply to # 105,241If you're really sick, then I think those dosages are pretty high. Right now I'm doing 16.7 mg of ALA, and I have been chelating for close to 5 months. It will be another 2-4 months before I move up to 25 mg. I get headaches when I take too much ALA, and I use that as my indicator of where I should be.
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This is a reply to # 105,241I'm having MERCURY POISONING from my 8 Amalgams in my teeth and having major vertigo, dry eyes, chest palpitations, numbness in legs and a bit in my face, shakes and tremors, metal taste.
PLEASE... Does ANYONE KNOW what supplements I can take to help my body cope while I still have these fillings inside me? I've read about chelation and I'm not supposed to do it until all mercury fillings are out, I even ate cilantro (BIG MISTAKE) and got worse, finding out that it's a natural chelatir that just pulled more mercury around redistributing it because it needs a stronger binding agent.
I'm so FRIGHTENED about my legs and my heart. I'm going to get a dentist to get them out but it will take a month or so!
Please does anyone have any advice?
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This is a reply to # 2,352,546Melody, I'm sorry to hear about your situation; however, I've heard similar reports many, many times. Some of those people were members in detox groups for many months and reported life changing gains.
Antioxidants help to bind with the heavy metals that have been kicked up--mobilized. They provide some protection from them.
Vitamin C and Vitamin E are two such antioxidants. They are somewhat different so taking both is recommended.
More than tiny amounts of vitamin C do not linger for long in the blood stream so we benefit from taking some with each meal and before bed. Hopefully you'll tolerate a gram or so of it per dose. Some find the buffered form to be better tolerated by the stomach. Others like the acid form with big meals to help with digestion.
Selenium is an underappreciated antioxidant. It is a natural mineral like calcium or zinc but it also binds with many heavy metals making them much less toxic to us. Selenium also helps to make thyroid hormones.
Many of us toxic folks need help to be more calm, relaxed and mentally sharp. There are a number of supplements that can be tried for this. More than a few people will take many or most of these.
Magnesium. Remember Epsom Salt is magnesium sulfate. Toxic folks often dont' make enough sulfate for liver detox. Somem people like the more subtle effect of a foot bath.
Glutamine and or GABA. GABA is maybe the brain's most important anti-anxiety neurochemical. The body makes it from glutamine. Glutamine also helps to fuel the bain, helps to heal the digestive tract, helps muscles and is needed to make the liver's most important antioxidant, glutathone.
You'll want to consume some sulfur containing foods such as broccoli, eggs, garlic, etc. Mercury loves to bind with sulfur. Sulfur is a component of glutathione.
However taking too much sulfur can cause problems because it also kicks up---mobilizes--more heavy metals (HMs). We need to use sulfur wisely.
Learn about adrenal cortex support--adrenal fatigue or adrenal insufficiency. mercury hammers the adrenal cortex and related control systems.
Zinc is an essential mineral. However it is chemically similar to mercury. They compete for binding spots in the body to some extent. You'll probably do well to increase your intake of Zn somewhat.
You might find these posts and video to be encouraging. I followed the reports of the first two people for many months in a Yahoo detox group.
A teen beat improbable odds and got some nice gains.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/64260
Typical situation for a middle aged female.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/111235
An engineer and physicist is interviewed on his recovery from "amalgam illness."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE_bjZ4kdJI
Surely mercury can kill you, but unless you are in a chemical factory accident it is not likely to do so quickly. You'll likely have plenty of time to fight this effectively and get much improved. However as you'll read from many sources, there is not quick fix.
There are many HM detox systems. I chose Cutler's detox protocol for my former heavy metal problem. I suggest that you learn about it.
Andrew Cutler, PhD Chemistry and Dr D Pompa discuss their experiences with Amalgam illness, how they recovered and some of the controversial aspects of detox. You'll have to right click the link at this site and download the mp3.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130413185932/http://www.healthcentersofthefuture.com/DrCutler/
Joe
PS. You are going to be fine like so many others. Just do your home work and take measured, organized actions to heal.
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This is a reply to # 105,228How do you know that dhla is getting the mercury out instead of just redistributing it?
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This is a reply to # 105,219What makes you think it dumped the mercury into your endocrine glands? I'm unaware of how this might be possible.
Mercury build-up in the liver is a concern. I think the best response to this is either occasional full flushes or frequent partial flushes and/or liver support with supplements like Liv.52, Planetary Formulas Bupleurum Liver Cleanse, milk thistle, artichoke, and cholagogues like chicory root and turmeric.- To Wintergreen boronia
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This is a reply to # 105,221Hi WG,
Did you do any flushing? If so has it helped? I know my liver is struggling even with herbs...yellow eyes and I've been getting slight pain in the liver area.
Maybe if there's more mercury in the bloodstream ALA can move merc into the hypothalamus and pituitary if there's no dmsa/dmps to help pick it up and help escort it out.
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This is a reply to # 105,223We posted at the same time. :-)
K, I see what the problem might be with not using DMSA. If your concentration is very high in CNS relative to the rest of the body, then maybe more of it is getting spread out as it is being pulled. Maybe thyroid, adrenals, and so forth are getting more of it. Also, when taking DMSA you're splitting the stress on the kidneys and liver, and not putting it all on the liver.
You probably need to take frequent breaks.
Btw, I take a lot of zinc and selenium which sort of buffers the mercury. I know this is obvious, but are you doing the same?
I wish DSMP was more easily available. And less ridiculously expensive.- Re: To Wintergreen boronia
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Hello again! ;-)
I'm taking DMSA. Yes taking zinc, perhaps not enough (30mg max a day) but I have to be careful with zinc as too much can lower iron and I'm a bit anaemic. This is part of the problem for me I think. Selenium, probably not enough either (100 or 200ug a day) but my last hair test showed really high levels and I still dont' know what this means, either toxicity or deficiency.
Yes shorter rounds and frequent breaks are better for me.
Thanks ;-)
Anne
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This is a reply to # 105,219Thanks for posting that Mike, it's really useful to know, though sorry to hear things aren't good for you. Were you not taking liver or endocrine support? Or you're saying that wasn't enough? I suppose just taking ALA can be too much for some people.
Yes ideally we'd all have some sort of professional support. I know I can't trust my own judgement at times.
I think a naturopathic approach goes well with chelation. I'm going to start castor oil packing again and then maybe flush as my liver is under stress. Part of the white of my eyes have gone yellow recently which I haven't had for ages and I've been feeling quite low. Yesterday I felt like giving up, chelation is very difficult and I've been really struggling some days recently either on or off rounds. I feel my endocrine system is whacked. I'd prefer to just go and live on an island somewhere and forget the whole thing!
Take care,
Anne
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This is a reply to # 105,222Anne, what are the specific problems with your endocrine system?
I did a Liver Flush maybe 2 weeks ago. I had a lot more energy afterwards. Right now I'm taking Colonix to clear out my gastrointestinal tract and get rid of any possible parasites. I still want to focus on a more elegant solution to cleaning out the liver, but I am going to put a lot of effort into keeping my intestines clear of any mucoid plaque.
Those have been the sticking points that I've found with the Cutler protocol, along with additional stress to the kidneys.
If you feel that you should take a break from it, that is probably a good idea.- Re: Don't make the mistake I did... boronia
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Thanks WG,
I have the usual hypothyroid and hypoadrenal symptoms....not being able to cope with much mental or physical stress, ....depression, sluggish digestion, hypoglycaemia, dry skin, poor intellect, inability to think etc sometimes hyper but mostly listlessness.
I think you're right about keeping the intestines clean. I'm taking triphala and strong probiotics which are helping.
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This is a reply to # 105,226Hi Anne,
Same here with hypothyroid/hypoadrenal.
One thing that I'm beginning to wonder is whether DMSA pulls mercury out of some or all of the glands. Some of the comments in this thread would make me think that is the case. I think Andy said DMSA will pull it out of "some organs," if I'm remembering correctly. That's obviously vague, and I assume it's because too little real-world testing has been done re to what extent the various semi-permeable membranes around different types of cells will allow detox to take place. It probably varies by individual as well.
In any case, I suspect DMSA or DSMP is a lot more important for this protocol than we originally thought. ALA should be able to pull out anything DMSA pulls out, but I think there is a synergy involved that keeps ALA from dumping too much mercury out of the CNS.
I did another post on sweating. I don't know if you sweat easily, but maybe a good way to clean the blood for now? A few very warm baths might be helpful.
All the best,
WG- Re: Don't make the mistake I did... boronia
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This is a reply to # 105,235Hi WG,
Yes it seems most people benefit from taking either DMSA or DMPS alongside ALA, or before using it, judging from reading the yahoo group posts too. I think it just helps take more merc out of the body.
I found one of Andy's quotes. I don't know if he's revised his view, this is from 2002.
"Neither DMPS nor DMSA enter cells. They only go after mercury on the
OUTSIDE of cells (which turns out to be about 50% of you). Any
mercury they get from inside cells has to come out on its own first.
Since mercury never ever ever comes out across the blood/brain
barrier, and neither DMPS nor DMSA go in across the BBB, this means
they are totally ineffective for clearing the brain. It also means
they aren't that helpful for clearing the liver, guts, etc. once the
extracellular mercury is mopped up."
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/52908
Though "aren't that helpful" doesn't mean totally ineffective, presumably as they relieve half the burden by removing it from the space outside the cells
I would think it depends on a lot of things, esp how dehydrated someone is, and how much they are lacking in omega 3 fats which are part of the phospholipid layer surrounding each cell. It's the same around every cell as far as I'm aware.
I'm a non-sweater and saunas do normally help but I just went for one and feel a bit strange now! I think there's arsenic in some wood saunas so could be that.
Take care,
Anne
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