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Awhile ago a CZ member accused us of having "ulterior motives" when we had questions about viewing possible "fake micrographic images" that they helped publish. We believe that this could have possibly tainted many opinions on where we stand.
At the time we didn't feel the issue was sufficiently addressed in conveying what we were talking about. Instead of more posts, we chose to provide some more education a bit differently and "to make science fun" at the same time, as someone once thought wise to suggest. We have held onto this surprise 'til the right time. Since 'tis Halloween, we figured that this would be a good time to unveil our "Trick or Treat", so here we are!
We stand behind what we say but more importantly we're about informing people on Truth and education! If you want to see what we're talking about, you may find this of great interest and it could prove to be fun, particularly if you looked at some alleged "micrographs" on another Forum.
Please feel free to post it all elsewhere, to keep it in your computer or to pass it along to family and friends, thanks.
Go here to begin:
http://rhrplus.com/pic_questions.html
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- Re: Trick or Treat - *Pictures* #70428
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This is a reply to # 1,032,052OH MY GOODNESS!!
I am trying to comprehend what I have just been looking at! If I have understood the "Trick or Treat" presentation correctly, someone has been faking pictures! Why?
I do remember a while back posts were made with regards to the pictures. The "owner" was rather defensive in coming forward with answering some questions. How easy was this to do? I have to admit, if it were not for your circles and pointers and explanation as to how this was done, I would have struggled a bit to find the flaws but, in all honestly, I did notice those strange objects in many of the pictures. I did wonder why. I also thought some of the objects did not "sit" right either. But I'm no expert, who am I to say.
I admit I don't have much knowledge of micrographs apart from owning my very own set carried out by Apxr, who, if I remember correctly, also had suspicions about these pictures too. I believe with Apxr's knowledge and expertise in this field (and yours too) that you would be able to spot a fake a mile away! This should have alerted many more people than it actually did. I am very surprised how very little people questioned them and took them for "real". I can only imagine people were in the same boat as me, they didn't see them as fake and didn't feel they were in a position to question them.
I remember you questioning the "owner" of these pictures to answer several doubts you had and I remember them falling on "deaf ears".
I must ask the question as to WHY this person would do such a thing? What has he to gain? There is no place on these forums for someone like this. If these pictures are to be believed then a lot of the "untruths" may be believed too! Very dangerous in my eyes. I do hope the person in question, "comes out" and "comes clean". He certainly has some explaining to do. I, for one, would like to hear it.
Thank you for the "wonderful" presentation and education.
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This is a reply to # 1,032,142"I believe with Apxr's knowledge and expertise in this field (and yours too) that you would be able to spot a fake a mile away! This should have alerted many more people than it actually did. I am very surprised how very little people questioned them and took them for "real". I can only imagine people were in the same boat as me, they didn't see them as fake and didn't feel they were in a position to question them."
Photographs are hard to tell whether they're authentic or not. We're not saying that they are fakes; however, there are a lot of unanswered questions which raises a lot of doubt!! I'm not a "photographic forensic expert" and neither is Apxr.
Perhaps people didn't have questions because they thought we were being "mean", not realizing that we really DID have questions. The educational tour is to help and to inform people in an educational way; the information could be applied to any/all pictures. Isn't CZ about "EDUCATION"?
One other thing. Lastly, I consulted with someone who is involved with cancer research with lab experience, who looks at specimens all the time. He only viewed the E. coli picture. In his opinion, E. coli should not be cultured from stool -- he also had questions on the picture (he wanted to know where were the E. coli rods, same questions I had asked) -- an electron microscope is best for E. coli. (I've also read that for E. coli, microbiologist use electron microscopes for viewing.) I further asked a photographer and graphic artist who felt that there were some "suspicious" items that can't normally be accounted for in photographs.
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This is a reply to # 1,032,198Thank you for pointing that out, don't want to upset anyone. I hope the person in question sees to those unanswered questions/doubts.
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This is a reply to # 1,032,198"Perhaps people didn't have questions because they thought we were being "mean", not realizing that we really DID have questions. The educational tour is to help and to inform people in an educational way; the information could be applied to any/all pictures. Isn't CZ about "EDUCATION"?"
No-one, in my opinion, is being "mean". Can't one question one's work without "defences" being put up. That rings alarm bells for me. And yes, CZ is about education,... isn't it?!
Very interesting. I think Shroom is best placed to answer this one.
"One other thing. Lastly, I consulted with someone who is involved with cancer research with lab experience, who looks at specimens all the time. He only viewed the E. coli picture. In his opinion, E. coli should not be cultured from stool -- he also had questions on the picture (he wanted to know where were the E. coli rods, same questions I had asked) -- an electron microscope is best for E. coli. (I've also read that for E. coli, microbiologist use electron microscopes for viewing.) I further asked a photographer and graphic artist who felt that there were some "suspicious" items that can't normally be accounted for in photographs."
The posts have certainly got plenty of "hits" but I'm confused as to the lack of response. I find this odd.
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70428 says, "I must ask the question as to WHY this person would do such a thing?"
Terrorists. That's what they do. Especially to ignorant people like me.
I really appreciate what aprx and rabbitears do for this forum. Education dispels anxiety. Several posts are somewhat over my head; but I continue to relieve my curiosity anyway. Thanks for that.- Re: Trick or Treat - *Pictures* #70428
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This is a reply to # 1,032,829Hey JFH!
Rabbitears and Apxr are the BIZ! They know what they are talking about.
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This is a reply to # 1,032,829Hi JFH!
"Terrorists. That's what they do. Especially to ignorant people like me."
LOL! I'm certainly not an "expert" so I'm like everyone else. It's only when I start asking questions and I'm curious enough -- that is when I find interesting answers.
"I really appreciate what aprx and rabbitears do for this forum.
Thank you.
"Education dispels anxiety."
Wise words!
"Several posts are somewhat over my head; but I continue to relieve my curiosity anyway. Thanks for that."
As long as we can continue to "relieve" your curiosity, I think, it is a good thing! :)
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This is a reply to # 1,032,829You're welcome and Thanks, jfh.
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Very interesting description.
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Hi There!
Sweet of you to ask a concerning question.
She might not ever respond – so don’t expect it. I could be wrong; however, I base this upon her previous posts. The only thing that I would’ve liked to see was less of a rush to judgment with balance in weighing the possibility that I could be right; unfortunately, there was the blind belief that this was an “attack” rather than a serious and legitimate concern. She’s entitled to her point-of-view and I’m not here to “convince” her or anyone of anything. Tek is an adult and she can make up her own mind about things. As I’ve stated many times before, this has been and will always be a place to provide educational information. Hopefully she and others will learn something, but then again maybe not. Along with my concerns I also see a possible danger ahead. But, hey, what do I know – I’m just one of the “idiots” – right?
Besides, who would be dumb enough to risk their personal reputation, a Forum, plus a newly founded business – if they want to be taken seriously -- without questioning themselves first in the possibility of being wrong!? If anything, the “ulterior motive” would be a conspiracy of silence for the sake of self-preservation. Think about that one for a moment.
How many times has a whistle-blower gotten “roasted” or silenced quickly to find out later that there was possible truth all along? Revealing the first picture with questions was in addition to a myriad of questionable posts. I mean, how many “serious” conditions can a person have? After awhile it becomes laughable and absolutely ridiculous when the number becomes exceptionally high with those kinds of “serious” claims – perhaps they need to be quarantined and studied! LOL! Kidding aside, I started questioning his posts because things kept changing week-to-week with “nailed the problem!” to numerous claims of “this is it!”, or echoes of “I’ve go that” when other posters shared their serious symptoms. There is a point when self-proclamation and “scientific discovery” crosses the line. C’mon, be for real!
I’ve learned that when someone blows a whistle people respond in different ways – some people have healthier responses more than others. It is always interesting to see who does what -- there is the two-faced personality (we know who that is!); follow the “lynch mob” mentality; denial or look the other way; afraid to ask questions; hurling accusations with name calling; wait and see; quick judgments; serious assessment; weighing matters; openly asks questions; staying neutral; crowd pleaser; play dumb; and etceteras.
To be honest, when I saw the first picture I initially didn’t know why I felt something was “off”. Again, I’m not an expert in these matters. It was my curiosity that got the better part of me with asking the first question – which turned into more questions and surprises that kept cropping up – too many to ignore. In asking questions, I’ve personally learned a lot from this experience. I recently viewed someone else’s pictures and was able to apply what I learned. By assembling the educational “micrograph” tour it was extremely helpful; it was so cool because I could see immediately that their micrographs appeared to be very real! I invited them to make a post.
My point is, as long as I continue to ask questions I’m in a state of learning. I apply the same curiosity and questioning to my health. For this very reason I won’t be here years later experimenting and dealing with the same afflictions; the problem will be resolved with patience. No one knows this better than Apxr because I ask a lot of questions, and he does too which is why he achieves results.
70428, you along with a few others seem to ask healthy questions with looking at the larger picture. The greatest minds in the world ask small and large questions to push beyond the obvious – questions are for seeking knowledge.
My wish for you and many others is that in your sincerity and diligence you’ll find the answers that you seek with an open-mind. I’m certain you know that I wish you and many others wellness because the suffering must come to an end.
Best of Health!
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This is a reply to # 1,033,462"...as long as I continue to ask questions I’m in a state of learning."
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Beautiful post Rabbitears! And very well said. I think if people did look at the bigger picture they may see where I’m coming from.
I still question his pictures and I stand by my posts. I am entitled to my opinion.
But BOY-o-BOY, Shroom should be concerned about his health. I've just been re-reading a lot of his posts with regards to what he's got! Jeeeeees, if that was me I'd be in a box by now, six feet under. And I thought I was ILL!
Below are only some of the posts I've read with regards to what afflicts Shroom and how he has gone about "diagnosing" them.
I'd like to know how he is treating himself for all of this and how he targets each of them. I think to target ALL of what he says is going on at the same time would be dangerous. This would need careful consideration.
He's got a heck of a problem if he's fighting all this and this is just the tip of the iceberg!
Blasto
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=846969#i
“I am curious about this yeast in my gut which is very dominant
since the elevated BLASTO counts.”
Histamines
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=816631#i
“I did notice that there were activated mast cells.
These cells produce histamines which can cause all sorts of
irritation. Small numbers are relatively normal. However,
circulating antigens are what activate them, and I am in a
constant allergic state.”
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=817464#i
“I have made some interesting observations regarding hitamines.”
Mold
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1020112
When put on nutrient plate, mold grew within hours. It was the most aggressive
mold growth I have witnessed so far. The mold which grew, was the same type
as found in stool smear growth under centrifugation.
Nailed the Problem
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=827407#i
“I have discovered the crux of the systemic problems are due to
"achlorhydria" or low stomach acid.”
Nitrites
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=824240
“I tested my first saliva in the morning, and found very
elevated levels of nitrites. I am not sure what this means just
yet.”
Psycho Drugs
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=844879#i
I have been taking "psycho drugs" on the advice of parasitologist specialist.
Although I have my ups & downs about this protocol, I can say that it eliminated one of the parasites {at least I think based on microscopic evidence}……..The reactions were sometimes very bad--I stopped breathing after falling asleep and started convulsing a bit……..Anyways, the one parasite I call "spikes" is all gone, and it was the tissue attached kind. This demonstates hope for certain worms that invade tissue [perhaps].
Anal Itching
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1010817#i
“I have the itching too. There are no worms but something else
is going on, which I am trying to remedy with large amounts of
probiotics”
Bacterial overgrowth
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=778350#i
“I have microscopic evidence to this effect. I am eating high
quality Roquofort cheese or "blue cheese" for penicillin. It' a
natural source, and I am having very good results! I would
recommend antibiotic when treating for parasites, but only mild
ones lest you start up a whole new set of creatures!”
E. coli
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=960362
“It started when I went to purify my e-coli bacteria. I was
doing a special filtering process, to remove any virusus which
my have been part of the contaminants, and discovered that
[these] were developing into the strange fiber-like bacteria
which I have discribed on numerous occasions.” [NOTE: Why is
there “stool” in the “micrograph” picture?]
C. Difficile
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=287034#i
Hi guys. Tests showed positive for c. difficile, and the symptoms are similiar to candida.
Eye Floaters/Parasites
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=961078#i
“I beleive there may be occassional migration to vitreous humor,
but are immediatly greeted by specialized macrophages which
imobilize them by agglutination. There are several varieties at
development stages.”
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=959098#i
“In my case, I beleive it is both. If they move, this is very
unusual, and normally any foreign organism in that area of the
eye would cause extreme inflammation and pain.
The parasites I have been observing, defy the norms of
microbiology, so anything is possible at this point.”
Morgellons
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=961083#i
“Well, I would not be surprized if there was a relationship to
them--as both my be man-made, but mine are small. It would be
like comparing a huge ship rope to a very fine spider thread.
The colour is only light spectrum absorbtion in mine.
The other things I find in scalp debris are larger and do have
true colour---blue, and red. These are very likely related to
the microbe, but I have no proof of this yet.”
Red Thread Thing
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=880571#i
“I have confirmation or the "strange red thread thing" in the
blood. It makes be very nervous, and I wish I could go back to
those good 'ol protozoa.”
Cryptosporidium, Cyclosporum Parasite & Lyme
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=964790#i
“I have had that one. It goes with the Lyme thing.”
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=483771#i
These are two organisms which I had to discover on my own, due
to laboratory incompetence. I thought I was battling candida,
but microscopic evidence shows these 2 guys.
Fluke
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=954780
I am shocked to discover that this "new" microbe I have found
may be a fluke egg.
Giardia
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=768597#i
“I suspect Giardia myself after observation, but cannot see any
flagella.”
Demodex Mites
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=861507#i
“I have just googled pics of the demodex mites, and they
resemble what I have been seeing in culture.”
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=861539#i
“This explains my eyelash itch as well. I guess these things can
get internally. I have found them in urine.”
Coccidiosis
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=753838#i
If it wasn't for my own extensive research, study, direct
microscopy, and correspondance, I would never have been aware
that this was a parasitic infection. The doctors, specialists,
lab techs, and researchers never recognized the occysts.
Pleomorphism
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=820022#i
I am beginning to suspect that the bacteria I have observed
resembling a worm, may be the early stages of another organism
which looks similiar to my parasites.
Mycoplasma & Microfilarae
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=945912#i
“They resemble the morphology of mycoplasm bacteria. They even
resemble the stages of growth! Keep in mind, that mycoplasma is
beyond microscopic observation [I have to reference electron
microscope micrographs from various sources]I am not joking
here. These mutations I see [in early stages] have very similar
morphology as later stage microfilarae type parasites found in
scalp, stool and even blood samples.
This is looking very much like mycoplasma is the primary source
of infection, which makes the whole condition I have – “
Bacteria
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=835590#i
It is bacteria at the fore-front of the problems I have,
including all parasites and candida albicans.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=758594#i
I am postulating the parasite[s] may be responsible for the presents of a species specific bacterial imbalance. It is CFB for sure.
Scientist Claims
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=838530#i
There are some scientists that beleive it can influence the
behaviour of the host. I am with that group. There may even be
circumstances where opportunity for other micro-organisms are
created chemically by the presents of these parasites.
Hair Parasites
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=883479#i
Glaxony, I am starting to think we might be on to a solution, by
targeting the scalp.
PHEW!
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This is a reply to # 1,035,032Hi
Well, how about that. I have followed the new "discoveries" and there has been something new each time. Yet this person is "healthy" without painful symtoms or other complaints, but still has tons of infestations. Then I completely agree with #70428, if that would have been me with that list of infestations, I'd be lying in a box, stone dead.
I have followed the "situations" that has been discussed across the forums. I am amazed, chocked, scared.
It is interesting to see how poeple act in these situations, the sudden change of language in the posts, name calling, taking "sides", banning people from posting.
Yes, it is bizzarre.
It started with a couple of pictures.
Who do we trust?
I had to think over a lot of things, reflect over what has been said. Changed my opinion about people, people that I trusted. I guess I was "sold".
I have tried to so many things to heal. I am sick, sicker, sickest. ill, unwell. It just became worse.
Too many advices, too much experimentation.
And still, in places across the forums, each week a new solution to an old problem. A new explanation to a health issue.
It's a contest.
The person that seems to know a little more than the other one, is king. And the king is worshiped.
The "trick or treat" pictures post was a wake up call.
Wake up.
Poeple are trick or treat.
People try to treat you, and you follow, blindly.
You can be tricked.
A few poeple have managed to sort things out and bring things out to become clear.
CZ is a place where adults, not children, mature, not naive, poeple meet and talk.
Was?
Do you see?
Choose to see.
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This is a reply to # 1,036,090Comments from other posters:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1035324
by Bythc
"Rabbitears,
Thanks, I can't understand why anyone would take this person as for real. It has been a long time since I have taken anything shroom says as true. I don't own a microscope, as what I see without one is bad enough, and I know very little about the computer. Those pics shroom posted in my opinion were so fake. I feel sorry for shroom, whatever drives him to behave in such a way, is very sad."
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1035838
by Celcius
"BTW, since he revealed his Anon # as 22..., that is a very old number. Does that mean he's been lurking around (watching) CZ for a long time? I came on board in '05 and my number is considerably higher. It looks like his first post was in '04. Don't the 2s run earlier than '04?
Well since you,ve asked I will tell you that 'shroom has been here for e quite a while like 3 yrs!
Dr. Schultz says: There are no incurable diseases, only incurable people!
After reading some of his posts and see the length of time he has spent trying every protocol or miracle concoction herb or pill and the fact that he is just as ill as he was three years ago, I'd say shroom falls into the incurables category!
This guy has tried everything from Grapefruit seed oil to coconut diet to experimenting with frog urine and even considering going back on anti biotics!! He even had a holisitic therapist call him delusional!
I'd avoid this character at all cost rabbitears or anyone else!
Mr. shroom has created a lot of dots but fails to connect any of them!"
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This is a reply to # 1,032,052I'd like to thank the team for this great effort. I must admit that although at first I did consider some "micrographs" suspicious, now after reading this 'trick or treat' special I am more interested in them, in what they really seemed to be right from the beginning. I hope later on I can check them out minutely one by one, just for "the fun of science". If and when I do, I'll let everyone know.
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