This is the threat 
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http://www.healthfreedom.info/SHFN%20Newsletter%20Sept%208,%202007.htm
Aaron Russo has also been exposing the plan of the international bankers to force microchip implants on all American citizens in a cashless society.
Nick Rockefeller eventually revealed to Mr. Russo their Orwellian plans to force us into a cashless society and make everyone take the chip in order to conduct financial transactions and be tracked by Big Brother 24 hours a day.
This is the Number Of Beast.
No come back if you take it. The funny think is that people so called Christians that will take it will force the others to take it too so as not to have their conciousness control them for their action.
If microchip is so innocent try to avoid it. It will be impossible, as Bible says you will be forced to take it eventually.- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,012,388render unto ceasar that which is ceasars. we do not war against flesh and blood.
the loss of aaron russo was very great. he knew the score. we are to be aware, but not to worry. perfect love casts out fear.
love one another. - Re: This is the threat beenthere30
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,012,388
This is an except from something I read some time ago:
I am wearied and my spirit vexed with all the newspaper eschatology and comic book theology, with everybody talking about everybody and everything except what Jesus Christ is doing! I’ve had my fill of preachers trying to figure out what the European Community, the Russians, the Chinese, the Israelis, the United Nations, the Illuminati, the Moslems, Saddam Hussein and everybody else is doing, while they have not the foggiest notion what the firstborn Son of God is doing! Alive today on the face of this earth are more people than have lived in a hundred previous generations. Don’t think for one moment, precious friend of mine, that God is going to walk away from the greatest harvest, the grandest opportunity to pour out His love and grace and make known His power and glory, released for man at Calvary. Don’t let it even enter your mind that God is about to turn this old world over to the devil to tread down, torment, enslave, ruin, destroy, and damn into judgment and hell. The Antichrist is not a world political leader, the Antichrist is the false religious spirit in the church (and in hearts of individuals - comment mine) that has everybody looking at everybody and everything except Jesus Christ!
- Re: This is the threat beenthere30
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,012,495
After posting the above something occurred to me. Often times in the Bible, the sea speaks of society in convulsion. Peter was able to walk above that human calamity, on the water, as long as he kept his eyes on Jesus.
There's too many self-made preachers who have made a name for themselves, and gotten rich by breeding fear in the hearts of many instead of encouraging the flock to keep their eyes on Jesus. Where does fear enter into the heart of a true believer? The Bible says, perfect love casteth out fear! Most people would rather hear about what someone thinks is going to happen, and when, than to sit at Jesus feet and learn of him. Let's open our eyes and see Jesus, our savior, our strength, our healer, our shield, our EVERYTHING, instead of worrying about what's going on out there in that world we aren't even a part of. Are we going to start trusting in God, who is love and says, it hasn't entered into the heart of man what God has prepared for those that love him, and ALL things work of good to them that love God?
- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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- Re: This is the threat dlaertios
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This is a reply to # 1,012,495I just wanted to speak about this to see what's your opinion.
If you loved Jesus and was your Master wouldn't risk to take the microchip for a lot of reasons. Even if you were wrong you would do it for the love of Jesus.
To speak about Jesus and what he taught would be even more difficult. Jesus joins people together and already have two forums because you couldn't find a way to be together.
It 's human but don't behave like teachers. The other day a member asked me if I say is not Christian enough. Her actions and her life can tell it I am not a prophet not a good Christian either. But saying you are a Christian and love Jesus and not having a fear about taking the microchip it makes me sceptical at least.
- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,012,527Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. - Re: This is the threat beenthere30
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This is a reply to # 1,012,527Many years ago Christians were terrified that the social security numbers were the "mark of the beast", then it was the scanners in the stores, now it's the chip. Isn't it amazing that all those who thought it was the SS#, have one? Did you know that in the dark ages the Catholic Church instructed their followers not to sell or provide shelter, or anything else, to anyone that refused to knuckle under to the pope? They were finally killed. No one at that time had a "mark" on their hand or head. They either had the "mind of Christ", or the "mind of antichrist".
Mainstream religion didn't understand the prophecies about Jesus, and didn't recognize Him when he walked among them. Why should we think mainstream religion is any different today? Revelation starts out by saying that it is "to His servants", yet you can hear the same thing on the discovery channel about the "end times" as you hear from some pulpits. God's truths are hid to them that are lost, the scripture says. Through the years I've heard some "prophet" set a date for the "end of the world", and when it didn't happen they change the date, over and over again. "No man knows" the Bible says. I'm not a teacher, or anything, for that matter, but I do know that we need to put our trust in Him, and not fear what men say or do.
- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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- Re: This is the threat beenthere30
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- Re: This is the threat been there done that
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This is a reply to # 1,012,388
We are free moral agents (we have free will/conscience), in other words, no "mark" can "steal" our soul, but neither should we ever accept it on our right hand or forehead. On principle alone, we should prefer the destruction of our bodies or whatever hardship that results from refusal of the "mark" on our right hand or forehead. The only thing an electronic chip could do to anyone is influence our emotions (aggressive/passive) by triggering our neurons, synapse firing, nervous system, muscle contraction, etc., but we each have the free will choice to either allow ourselves to fall prey to these effects or not. Many Christians who simply base their devotion on faith and the fact that The Lord chose us might very well fall prey to the effects, but those Christians who base their devotion on LOVE (the GREATEST of these, 1 Corinthians 13:13) and the fact that they CHOSE GOD (like Job did).
The microchip itself is not spirtually harmful (except if on the right hand or forehead), it may influence bad behavior or passive, irresponsible behavior (we all have the final say in how we react).
Some choose to simply walk by faith (faith can falter, it is shallow).
Some (few by comparison) walk by love (love never fails) because they live by the spirit. God says that "IF we live by the spirit..." (and some have a better idea of love than those who choose to "walk by faith" and NOT love), let us also walk by the spirit (which never fails, Galatians 5:16 and 25).
Many Christians all throughout history have found it comfortable and convenient to simply "walk by faith" in order to avoid shedding a tear in their devotion as the women of scripture did (by principle, the person at the well more easily recognized the "Messiah" and would have also refused a "mark" on the right hand or forehead).
http://cf.blb.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=anointed+the+lord+an...
The heart cannot think or show love.
http://cf.blb.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=be+transformed&Versi...
So, yes, many will have to make a choice to either accept or refuse the final chip on the right hand or forehead, but everyone has the free will to refuse and be steadfast in their love for The Lord.
The number is a very common number, I don't really understand the calculations of "Abundant number", but if you remember "Y2K", the whole problem was the ONE DIGIT
changeover to 2000. The same panic happened in the year 999 when people thought the new millenium was when Jesus would come back (turn 999 upside down and backwards). One explanation is that it is MAN'S number (time, etc.) that conflicts with God's gracious plan for humanity. It could also be that the 66 books of the bible are being INTERPRETED (they should not be INTERPRETED to mean whatever is "convenient", but simply UNDERSTOOD) by the 6th day creation (it can't be a literary reference because it would have to mean the same in every language).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundant_number
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_(number)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia
Some versions of scripture suggest that it is a "A NUMBER of AN INDIVIDUAL" (that it is a LITERARY reference is impossible in all languages). It could only be a NUMERICAL reference (a number of humanity, "man's number") and that the number 666 is a very common one.
This church has done alot to break away from the legalistic interpretations, but is still very legalistic in many beliefs. Even still, it shows how the translators have taken too many liberties in their INTERPRETATIONS from the Greek.
http://www.churchofgoddfw.com/women/w_love.html
All verses are from the RSV.
- Re: This is the threat dlaertios
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This is a reply to # 1,012,525Love for Him.
I see how much we love Him. Although all writen things point to microchip as the possible number of beast you risk it. I know it is difficult doing the opposite.
All that you say make a point, but the real purpose of microchip won't be revealed now but it has religious nature. I don't know what the other things in Bible is. The beast and so but if you try to change the words "number of beast" with microchip and barcode it will make sense.
This - making sense- couldn't happen 100 years ago.
- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,012,542as i have explained before, the powers that be are doing this on purpose. its what they want you to believe. its not necessary. in fact, the technology is now that you can be recognized simply with cameras. no chip, no mark, none of that needed.
you are worried about absolutely nothing.
the funny thing is, when people started needing a number in order to get a job or a loan(SSN), there was an outcry, as there was with credit cards, etc. preachers warned from the pulpit. tongues wagged and little old ladies gasped. no one is worried about them now. here is where my money is at: there will not be a big decision to take a mark or die. there is as much of a chance of that as there is that a pretty hippie will float down out of the sky on CNN live. i suggest living the way we are told to do by jesus instead.
- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,012,525i have to really, respectfully, disagree with you. anyone who is not dying daily, being a living sacrifice, being faithful in the little things now, no way is he going to give up his life in a situation like that. even if he did, would it do him any good? not according to my bible.
but there are those who have it all mapped out, just like in days of old. the early christians became so inflamed with the idea of martyrdom that they were doing all they could to be killed. it got ridiculous. the romans got tired of killing them. they also figured out that they were the best recruitment posters on the planet.
we have a similar situation going on right now with suicide bombers. make no mistake, they think they are doing god a favor.
it is one thing to not be afraid to die. it is quite another to be afraid to live. if you hide your talents thinking you can do nothing of any worth with them, then you will be right, and what you have will be taken. there are many ways to destroy the soul, but only one way to save it.
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
dont sell your birthright out of fear. the gospel is good news. fearmongering is a waste of precious time.- Couldn't have been said any better! beenthere30
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This is a reply to # 1,012,546
"i have to really, respectfully, disagree with you. anyone who is not dying daily, being a living sacrifice, being faithful in the little things now, no way is he going to give up his life in a situation like that."
- Re: This is the threat dlaertios
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This is a reply to # 1,012,546Do I give the impression of someone who fears? Did my language or my acts show something like this?
It's more like a choice and my perception of how things are. My lifestyle, my philosophy. I find very difficult to understand that people who say are Christians can tolerate easily a thing like this.
I see people at bodybuilding make such a strict life that I can't compete with them and all of this because they love their sport.
We say love Jesus, believe in him and so and we find difficult to make a day without meat or alcohol or good life. Me first of all. A true believer would respect the Law. A true believer wouldn't risk.
I hope you try to take the meaning of what I am saying and not the words I use.- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,012,587i take your meaning to be of good intent. i hope you will give my words the same courtesy.
love one another - Re: This is the threat been there done that
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This is a reply to # 1,012,587A lifestyle to satisfy your fleshly needs (pleasure, GOOD life)?.
That is where you have to make the decision. If you are satisfied simply walking by faith (having faith only) and enjoying a "lifestyle", "philosophy" and "good life" instead of having a true LOVING devotion (not based on faith ONLY) to God all inclusive (Father also, not just Jesus) and your fellow human being (it's an impossibility otherwise), and are satisfied simply professing any kind of knowledge (philosophy), then you have missed the mark (as regarding the faith).
http://cf.blb.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=missed+the+mark&Vers...
The PRIORITY of a BELIEVER (faith only is required to BELIEVE something) is LAW, but the priority of a loving person (someone who truly has love in their heart AND MIND) is to be a GODLOVER and no matter how much anyone ever ATTEMPTS to decieve them or come between them and The Lord, they will remain steadfastly in love with The Lord and will never allow themselves to be separated from Him.
You can be a BELIEVER in anyone/anything (father, mother, brother, friend, etc. if they are trustworthy). You can be a believer in your boss or your coworker also.
He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. John 12:25
You choose whether you will be a BELIEVER or a LOVER. BELIEVERS will have a GOOD LIFE.
RISK (fear) can only be caused by "you" if you only have faith and not true love.
If you ever had a pet (that you LOVE), that is what LOVE is. The worst misbelief that is taught in Christianity (if there is a "WORST", it's really impossible to decide which is the worst) is that there are TYPES OF LOVE. There are no TYPES, love is one attitude of heart and mind. Agape, philos, eros, and storge are types of RELATIONSHIPS.
If the Christian is taught the wrong idea of what LOVE is, then how can the Christian understand God properly (God is LOVE)? It is extremely important for the Christian to have a CLEAR understanding of what God is.
- Hi Dlaertios Alikat
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This is a reply to # 1,012,587
Just for the record o adelphos mou, I want you to know that I agree with you. A true believer knows His voice and follows after Him. The Word tells us that in the latter days many would fall away, but not to allow ourselves to be deceived.
My heart and spirit are with you. Now I hope you understand me better. :-)
- Re: Hi Dlaertios dlaertios
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This is a reply to # 1,012,727Yes, I try to have love for others.
One of the best things read in curezone was:
If you make error try to make it to the side of love.
I put all my efforts on it.
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- Re: Hi Dlaertios dlaertios
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- Re: This is the threat trapper/kcmo
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- Couldn't have been said any better! beenthere30
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- Re: This is the threat dlaertios
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- Re: This is the threat Mama Crow
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This is a reply to # 1,012,388Ridiculous theories about the "Mark of the Beast" are everywhere and then some ... it involves credit cards ... it's tied to driver's licenses and/or social security numbers ... blah-blah-blah.
And though we all may PRAY to live good Christian lives ... and sincerely WANT to obey God ... and do NOT wish to come under the "Mark of the Beast" there IS somebody or some THING out there somewhere who WILL try to secretly impose that much hated and mysterious "mark" upon us by forcing us to submit to the implantation of some salvaton-stealing microchip ... or MAYBE even force an invisible identifying tattoo on us!
Oh no.
AND NOW there's panic over those dadgum black stripe thingies that appear on practically every item we buy nowadays?!?
Geez.
(Actually, I love those nifty bar codes! That method of "keeping up with inventory" has helped me get through the check stands much faster ... and are really far more accurate than human fingers on a old-fashioned cash register.)
Anyway, and this applies to any topic really, people who naturally lean toward paranoia are fair game for those who like to play upon fears; aren't they?
No one I know WORSHIPS computer-generated labels on food packages or identity numbers or swipeless credit cards ... or microchips!
Remember ... it is not only those who "receive" the "Mark of the Beast" who'll suffer God's wrath, but also those who "worship" his image!
The "mark" is not going to be forced upon us unsuspectingly ... it will be an obvious emergence when it occurs (not a speculative one) and it will also be a conscious CHOICE as to whether or not we choose to accept it (receive it.) And after choosing to receive it will we also choose to worship it.
But wait ... what is IT? What IS the mark?
I think we'll probably find the answer to that once we understand WHO or WHAT the "beast" is FIRST.
Daniel? Revelation? Anybody?
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