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What are these "stones"?

Liver flush stones or olive oil?

Date:   10/16/2005 7:37:13 PM   ( 18 y ) ... viewed 3529 times

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What are these "stones"?

What are the stones composed of? Is it Olive Oil? Is it bile?

Several sources, including the naturopathic doctors Michael Murray and Joseph Pizzorno, claimed:

  • "gallstones" typically passed during the liver flush are not really gallstones but simply soft complexes of mineral, olive oil and lemon juice produced within the digestive tract. (Murray M, Pizzorno J. Textbook of Natural Medicine Vol.1 and 2. Edinburgh: Harcourt Publishers, 1999.)

The Lancet, Volume 365, Number 9468 16 April 2005, published the article:
Could these be Gallstones? by Christiaan W Sies, Jim Brooker

  • Excerpt: "We conclude, therefore, that these green "stones" resulted from the action of gastric lipases on the simple and mixed triacylglycerols that make up olive oil, yielding long chain carboxylic acids (mainly oleic acid). This process was followed by saponification into large insoluble micelles of potassium carboxylates (lemon juice contains a high concentration of potassium) or "soap stones"."

People skeptical to anything that comes from Hulda Clark accept this evidence as the final evidence on uselessness of liver flush.

If stones are not gallstones, then flush is just a placebo, a powerful placebo?

Powerful enough to totally cure allergies? Asthma? Powerful enough to change blood cholesterol level? Powerful enough to cure cancer? Powerful enough to expel calcified gallstones? According to researchers who investigate placebo response, placebo response can not affect blood quality and cholesterol levels. Placebo can not cure cancer. Placebo can not expel calcified gallstones. Placebo never has a long term effect, it is generally a short term benefit. If an effect is a long term, then it is not a placebo, by definition.

One thing is sure,  it is not placebo, cause benefits I experienced (no more food sensitivity) seem to be life-long.  Effects of placebo usually last no loger than few days,

There are also other reports on stones being analyzed, and those reports contradict results reported in Lancet:

  1. "My dad, however, sent his to another lab, and got the usual results, bile, cholesterol crystals, etc."
  2. "To my surprise they contained no bilirubin, but they did contain lots of cholesterol. They were very keen to stress that there was absolutely no doubt about the analysis, it had been carried out very carefully and thoroughly."
  3. "Calculi composed primarily of cholesterol, calcium bilirubinate, bile salts and pigments."
  4. "His analysis of the stone sample I sent was 91% cholesterol and the rest was bile salts, water and inert ingredients. In other words, the sample had the chemical contents of gall stones. And the report clearly states it was gallstones."
  5. "The stones were found to consist entirely of cholesterol."

So who are we going to believe?


I don't know.

On Thursday, Oct 13th, me and my wife decided to flush (Clark's recipe).

This time, we decided to satisfy our own skepticism, and to test hypothesis that stones are formed inside intestines. Unfortunately, without access to a lab that could analyze the stones, the only way for us to test the hypothesis was by dyeing the stones.
The ingredients:

Activated charcoal tablet

Epsom Salt



Extra Virgin Olive Oil

1/2 glass with olive oil


Why activated charcoal?

Cause charcoal is the best natural die. If you take a few tablets of activated charcoal, it dyes your stool black. It is harmless, non-toxic, and the best is that it's color is easy to recognize, different from anything I ate or anything I would expect to get while doing the flush.

So, we mixed water and epsom salt and we drunk first cup at 6pm and second cup at 8pm. With the second cup, I took 4 charcoal tablets, my wife took 3.

Already after the first cup of epsom salt, I got urge to go to a toilet. Around 9pm I had another urge, and this time I passed black watery BM. The charcoal was working, dyeing. Then at 10pm we squeezed grapefruit juice. Left image shows the color of oil and the color of grapefruit juice just before getting blended. Right image shows the color after blending.

While drinking olive oil/juice mixture, both of us swallowed extra 4 charcoal tablets. We went to sleep late, around midnight, after some burping. Tomorrow morning, at 6am the third cup with epsom salt, and at 8 am the second. Then, diarrhea started.

Here are the images showing the color of the first BM, before and after washing. Click on the image to enlarge.

use colander to catch everything

close shot

even closer,

click on the image to enlarge

"Stones" are green, surrounded with black colored feces. To see all images , follow the link:\liver_flush\D.\

After washing the stones with cold water, this is what is left inside colander:

The second BM:

stone dimensions (cm) cut stone enlarged cut

I have cut and examined many stones, looking for any trace of black powder. No sign of it. If you are interested to se enlarged images, click on each image to see it enlarged. To see over 100 high resolution color images, follow the link:\liver_flush\D.\

My wife's flush resulted in no stones, just a few very small one. Non of her stones showed any trace of black charcoal inside. It is now more then 4 months since her last flush, and more then 6 months since my last flush.

Now, it looks like my experiment has shown that charcoal is not coloring stones. Why?

Is that the proof that stones are not formed inside intestines?  May be, may be not. Charcoal is dissolving in juice, but is it dissolving in oil?

I decided to do another experiment to see if I can get charcoal to dissolve in oil.
I mixed olive oil with freshly pressed juice, and I added a charcoal tablet into it:

tablet is dissolving 10 seconds later 20 seconds later I am helping it dissolve with spoon dissolved
charcoal is dissolved in juice, very few small particle in oil emptied mixture onto a white plate to see it better close up, showing charcoal, juice and oil  


Back to the drawing board ... I need a die that can fully dissolve in oil. Charcoal, after all, may not be the best coloring agent. I am thinking about cocoa powder.

Do you have any idea on what I could use? If yes, please let me know!

If you would like to discuss and debate liver flush, please use liver flush debate forum.


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