Thanks Blueduck. I'd like to debate the issue with any of these doctors to get down to source of motives. I wonder if the disbelief in Liver Flushing is formed per doctor, or per Medical Establishment. In other words, if the doctor is decietful and he is lying, or the Medical Establishment is so against non-surgery/non-drugs that they don't even teach basic principles which makes the doctor ignorant about concepts such as flushing. Decietful or ignorant?