i didn't say the Conspiracy theorists were nut cakes. hell, i am one myself (though i COULD be a nut cake). you REALLY need to check out that forum, then you'll see what i mean. there's all these references to the "illuminati" and a guy who claims to have been brainwashed by his government and made to wring a kitten's neck when he was 2 years old and so on. you really ought to see it. what we discuss here i think we're basically agreeing on (except for the occasional stray canadian...), but that stuff is really OUT THERE. fox mulder would be worried even...