i don't think so. i never told you there were no risks, in fact, i told you nothing is 100% without risk. i measured the risks, took action. no one hides these things. if you would do as i suggest,and read through the posts, you will find numerous such cases, ususally resulting when people stray from the correct procedures as i did. but to me, the risk of not flushing far outweighed the risks of flushing, so i went forward, and got my health back. if a flush is quackery as you say, there would be no risk, correct? so either it flushes out stones or it does not, you must choose. and yes, i believe we are correct, we are getting somewhere as your post above basically admits that stones are flushed out. mission accomplished.