I found taking herbal stuff Wormwood etc. barely scratch the surface for me. I was a little nervous to use the ivermectin horse paste but I did use the panacur and I also managed to get my hands on a script of hcq. Using 1/2 one as a suppository was unbelievable. The flukes didn't like that at all. Seem to strip out multiple layers of them at once it was awesome. I'm not advising anybody to do what I did I'm just telling you my experience.