What Natway refuses to accept...

What Natway refuses to understand, or that possibly his brain cannot comprehend, is that elevated cortisol levels are the beginning of AF, the resistance stage, all recorded under the GAS model. Once the adaptation process has burnt out and the fatigue rate sets in, cortisol is dropped. Our adrenals are capable of producing cortisol in extreme situations otherwise we would have Addisons, yet because they are weak and fatigued they cannot continuously produce what cortisol the body needs to maintain homeostatus of the body systems throughout the day, this is why we sometimes see a high morning cortisol and then flat lined rest of the day, trying to maintain blood Sugar while asleep has the body into major overdrive , adrenaline also goes through the roof and this is why many AFs have morning anxiety. This is what the term 'fatigued' is used for - unable to keep up or maintain demand. Very much like a runner who tires after a marathon, there body can no longer keep up the demand, therefore they become 'fatigued', yet if required to do so in an emergency, they would be able to find a last ditch amount of cortisol to do so. Also then, adrenaline is enhanced - which is why AF'ers experience adrenaline surges, and are unable to 'calm' down at the end of the day before bed - adrenaline has kept them going because cortisol production is too low.

This is all very basic AF knowledge, that anyone with AF understands, because they experience it on a daily basis. So when someone claims it dose'nt exist, well its fairly evident they have never experienced it.

Every long term AF'er has low cortisol, hence why the majority end up using HC - HydroCortisone (cortef). Some may mistaken the symptoms of low cortisol to be high cortisol as they can be similar, this is well documented, many new folk to do thsi, I even once thought that at one point till I got my multiple ASi's over the years a, all showing flatlined cortisol.

Natway's continuous deranged and pathetic attempt at saying high cortisol is AF is completely wrong, because he was misdiagnosed as having AF, when in fact, he potentially was in the onset of the illness and had some stressors which were elevating his cortisol, one of which for him, may of been a reduced calorie intake, which indeed before Adrenal Fatigue will increase cortisol..same with smoking, drugs, sex, coffee, theres a LOT of 'addictions' that do exactly the same.

I also highly doubt anyone is suffering from 'starvation' or anorexia - I have had friends who have been anorexic, and I find him extremely disrespectful to them as well, its a true illness, and extremely harrowing and sometimes life threatening - and true anorexics will consume less than 500 calories a day, I have not heard of anyone on the AF forum consuming this little. and starvation? well, BE REAL Natway. Nobody is suffering from starvation, do you actually know what starvation looks like? I suggest you go look towards the terrible famines in Africa and the suffering of the people there to understand starvation, and try not to disrespect them also by claiming starvation on ANYBODY that has AF symptoms, starvation is very real, and those poor people suffer it. I have worked in Africa before university, I have witnessed it first hand.

I hope you see now C.B what people have had to put up with with this one, and why he was banished from the support forum. there is no reasoning with madness. He will never accept a fact because it dosen't fit his own superiority complex, because he is wrong. You have made some VERY valid points C.B and documented research, yet Natway continues to spout the same drivel without offering any form of concrete counter argument to much of your information. Very similar with his 'I have Toxic Hunger' argument - this condition was made up by a supplement 'pusher' and is not a medical condition, in fact there aren't even any alternative doctors who quote this as a condition, therefore it has little standing ANYWHERE, apart from by a doctor who sells supplements to cure it, a trade market doctor, therefore a 'brand' - interesting as this is the type of system that Natway critisises others of following, supplements, supplement pushers and 'made up illnesse's'.

He has provided no evidence, and what he has done, as you have pointed out CB, is entirely circumstantial. Also, there are far more males on the AF board with AF, than females, so another fail in his logic.

What strikes me the most is, if someone is well, and healthy and 'cured' why are they not out there leading life to the full rather than spending, what looks like hours and hours trying to disprove an illness that they have never suffered from? it seems highly sociopathic and bordering on dangerous to themselves and others. They may say 'I want to help people' - well if that was the case, go and work in a homeless shelter or train to become a youth worker or paramedic, don't hide behind the confines of mothers keyboard attacking others who suffer from an extremely debihilitating illness.

I suggest Natway, today, you really look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself 'is this what I have become?'', ' would my mum be proud of me while I search frantically looking for little snippets of evidence from open and honest lovely people who write about their experiences with AF to show compassion to other sufferers and to also show new AF'ers they are not alone, to prove my own theory that an illness they suffer from dosent exist'? (even though its a medically classed condition called General Adaptation Syndrome)

Natway, man up, move on with your life, no need to debate something that dosen't concern you, and be glad it dosen't concern, Adrenal Fatigue is brutal and contains so much suffering, that if you had experienced it, you sure as heck wouldn't be writing what you do.

Try not to go through this message and pick out little phrases that you believe you can use as an argument, maybe you have better things you can do with your day today seeing as you are so healthy and cured? maybe volunteer at an old folks home, or clean the windows on your mums house? I think for your own personal development it would be a much better use of time.

I think its fairly obvious between all the information from CB, myself and others, you have no where to go anymore. Accept it and move on, continuing the crusade will only show yourself up and do you still really want to be THAT person? Use this as a time to bow out and find a new cause, one with meaning. Spend your time maybe writing to the Chinese Embassy to free Tibet or to the Ukraine embassy to ask for enhanced punishments for those that operate sex trafficking rings - there are a lot of ways you can 'help' people by being a keyboard warrior, without targeting and victimising sick and poorly people. Get over yourself lad.
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