Re: Fonty and Chrisb1

"since I didn't get a reply.."

okay--picture a smiley face. I read the initial post, thought it was a *response* to my post about Fonty, and one further down
asking after ChrisB. There actually wasn't a question
in your post...you seemed to be saying since they're gone you're not feeling inspired to wade back through their posts.


I think a number of people on the forum currently are fairly 'young', compared to the time Chris B or Fonty
were active. There seems to be a new wave of folks who aren't all that into reading the fasting lit. that Chris B for example would always link to, and recommend.

For example, autolysis, ketosis and such are the 'ground zero' of water fasting. Not criticising, just surprised the term was news...

I do understand the excitement around the whole process. When I first plunged in I was almost evangelical!!! :-) Almost everyone who's done a few longer fasts was equally excited, and would be a frequent poster for a period of time. It all works in cycles. Lot of the people I recall are gone now. Show up once or twice. Different group of friends...


The danger -as it were - of a lot of the old-timers moving on, is that the newer folks might start teaching each other, on the basis of a day or teo, and not having the longer fast experience--which does make a difference. There can be a lot of hear-say exchanged. And like the old game Telephone, after a few tellings, the message can be utterly garbled, while the excitement can take over.

Edit--What's the solution?? More longer water fasts!! lol
But seriously...

What I've dicovered is, usually if someone does get through a longer fast they have more appreciation for the literature, and the older posts, and so on, and will seek to educate themselves. There's more of a grounding in the whole process, which means there's encouragement coupled with solid empirical evidence.

Also, and alternately, reading the lit. will give you all the courage or wherewithall you need, to *want* to take on a 'longer' fast. (And to have cut through the fear, trepidation, any sense of fog.)That's how I came to the whole thing. There was a book by Goldstein I read, that really inspired, and then, my other favorite authors are Bass, Purinton, Shelton... By the time I read someof their work, I was ready for my 29 days.)

I would call anything after 10 days 'longer'. Even in The Master Cleanse circle, it is understood that the "fast" (or cleanse, in that case) only really gets going on the seventh day--that's why ten days on the Master-Cleanse is the minimum.


Short fasts are great though. I'm not 'dissing' them. At all. They are just very much-- Well, shorter! They are good for gaining confidence, and yet--Here's the big point I want to make, and I'm sure Vidda has already made it--;-) The first three days of a Water Fast are the hardest. THE HARDEST. Itmight be day two is harderfor one person, but it's lamost universal that day three is the test. And then, the magic happens. The switch over to working on one's reserves. It's a whole different reality.

That's why it SO pays to go past that hump...And enjoy some of what occurs after ketosis begins. This is the whole key to the 'many mansions' of water fasting. And most of the key is forged through the mind being prepared.

But after a longer fast, they (the short-short ones) can become a part of one's week.Without any pain.


Again, (I've said it in a few differnt posts) I recommend reading The Emanation Body--which discusses intermittent fasting.
It's a good read, and available online--45 short pages or so.


best, C

Chiron