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Re: Address all possible root causes of your ALL


 From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_T-lymphotropic_virus with supporting references:

HTLV-III and HTLV-IV

The terms "HTLV-III" and "HTLV-IV" have been used to describe recently characterized viruses.[1][2][3]

These viruses were discovered in 2005 in rural Cameroon, and were apparently transmitted from monkeys to hunters of monkeys through bites and scratches.

Again just goes to show that:

1.  You cannot trust everything you read on the internet.

2.  That people need to rely on more than one information source since single sources are not always accurate.

The discovery of HTLV-3 (HIV-1) was announced by Montagnier in 1983, and he announced the discovery of HTLV-4 (HIV-2) in 1985.  Do you think that the people who "discovered" these viruses traveled back in time and told Montagnier about the viruses in 1983 and 1985 and that is why they started anti-retroviral therapy for these "undiscovered" viruses in the early 1980s?  Do you see the flaw in the link you posted yet?

They are also wrong about their "it came from a monkey" hypothesis.  This hypothesis was disproven over 25 years ago!!!  A little simple research would have revealed this fact, which again is why people should not rely on one source of information.

This is irrelevant since one is a human virus and one is a monkey virus.

  • HTLV-IV does not resemble any known virus.

It is not yet known how much further transmission has occurred among humans, or whether the viruses can cause disease.

Another fallacy.  If they are not known to cause disease then why are they called leukemia/lymphotropic viruses?  That is like calling a virus a influenza virus but claiming that they don't know if it really causes the flu.

The use of these names can cause some confusion, because the name HTLV-III was the former name of HIV in early AIDS literature, but has since fallen out of use.[6] The nameHTLV-IV has also been used to describe HIV-2.[7]

Yes, which is exactly what I have been pointing out to you.  And when were these viruses discovered and they started using anti-retrovirals to treat?  That's right, the early 1980s, which is well before the 2005 discovery claim!

H, I truly appreciate all the good advice in your original message, but must insist that you follow TOS guidelines and my instructions and keep your debate civil and restricted to the message and not the messenger.

And once again I demand you do the same.  Once again you are the one that started making it personal in violation of TOS when you clearly stated I was wrong without any evidence.  Not only is this attacking the messenger, but it is also debating, which are both TOS violations.  And as I stated before as a moderator you should be setting an example, not repeatedly violating TOS.

Nowhere in my post did I take any shots at you, I only pointed out, quite correctly, that the very large majority of opinion both inside and outside medical science does not support your contention that most cancer is caused by viruses. 

Which again is a false claim directed at me, NOT the message making your post a TOS violation.  If you want to address my post then fine.  Post EVIDENCE to the contrary, not personal opinions falsely claiming I am wrong.  Again this is an attack.  No matter how subtle you make your attacks they are still attacks none the less.

That is true regardless of how many links you provide to support your opiinion. 

This is a good example of what I am talking about.  Again you are slamming my post with subtle insults in clear violation of TOS, then  you whine about being a victim when YOU start the attacks.  What I posted was clearly facts, not opinion, which is why you have yet to provide any evidence to the contrary.  Since you cannot refute the facts you instead respond with subtle slams about my posts.  Thus you are CLEARLY taking shots at me contrary to your claim that you are not.  If you want to address my post then stop with the personal attacks and address the post with evidence to the contrary if you think I am wrong.

You on the other hand have chosen to single me out, and in doing so you have not only violated TOS but also directly contradicted the recent instructions you were given by the WM to not do so.  

ROTFLMAO!!!!  Once again you attack me first then whine about being the victim.  And as far as the WM goes, he told me that you were sent the same PM instructing you to stop the personal attacks.  Clearly you do not follow instructions very well since  you once again started attacking me the first chance you got.

I would have thought that having your attack post against me deleted from your own private forum would have been a clear message, but sadly that does not appear to be the case.

Still taking shots at me making it personal.   Will Tony ever learn to behave?

Nowhere in my post did I make any mention of my "cure". 

You really think that this is the only post you ever made?  

If you were familiar with my suggested anti-cancer protocol you would be aware that it addresses viruses and other pathogens, poor diet and lifestyle, removal and avoidance of toxins, stress and unresolved emotional issues and much more,

I have no idea what your supposed "protocol" is.  I was referring to oleander soup, which is unproven and potentially dangerous.  And as I said before the ONLY substance you have stated to me in the "soup" with activity are the polysaccharides.  And these do not address the cancer viruses.

so I can hardly see how anyone could contend that it does not address the root causes of cancer.  I would also point out that at no time have I ever said that viruses cannot cause cancer,

Yes, you did back when you also claimed that cancer's cause was inflammation.  Go back and read your old posts if you did not already edit them.

only that, like the very large majority of others, I do not believe that viruses cause MOST cancers.

First of all belief does not mean fact.  And you keep making these wild claims but never provide any evidence to back your claims.  So who are the "majority" you claim?  The people that have not bothered to dig through the medical journals like I have to find these facts?  

I have been doing heavy research on cancer for 30 years.  I am 100% positive that I know more about what causes cancer, how it grows, how it causes damage, why it comes back with allopathic therapies and how to stop it better than you can ever wish to know.

As I noted to you on a previous occasion, your opinion about viruses causing most cancers has already been debated here and the place for further debate is the Cancer Debate forum.

And once again, I was not posting a debate.  I posted WELL KNOWN facts about cancer viruses.  You responded slamming my post again starting a debate again with your attack in violation of TOS.  So once again I am the victim of your TOS violating games.  I have every right to post the facts.  And if you go back and read my original post NOWHERE do I mention you or the unproven and potentially dangerous oleander soup.  Yet you responded with an attack on my information with absolutely NO evidence to back your claims I was wrong.  So you deliberately targeted me for your attack and started a debate both in violation of TOS, and once again after you started the attacks you once again are trying to play victim.

Once again, I am telling you that any further debate will either result in the message being moved to the debate forum(s) or else deleted and that any further personal shots will also be removed and, in view of me having to again repeat that warning, could result in further action as you have also been warned about.

And once again YOU started the attacks and debating as usual in violation of TOS.  So why don't you start by deleting your own post since I was following the rules until you decided to ignore the WM's warning and start up with the TOS violations like you have done so often in the past? Stop attacking me and I won't have to keep defending myself against your repeated lies about me.  And stop starting the debates and the useful and non-TOS violating posts will not have to be moved to the debate forums along with your TOS violating posts.

 

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