Hveragerthi, spudlydoo, lisamarie23 etc. Define/refine your position and your claims!

I see the same people again and again arguing about the similar questions.

To avoid useless arguments and useless debates, please could all of you who participate define your positions?

What is the position of Hveragerthi, spudlydoo, lisamarie23 etc. ?

State clearly what your claim is, and why!?

Do you claim that no Gallstones will ever exit gallbladder during a liver flush, or do you claim that only some Gallstones may exit gallbladder during a liver flush?

If you claim is that some Gallstones may exit gallbladder during a liver flush, then why do you state that Liver Flush is useless procedure?

It sounds good if some stones leave gallbladder and pass into intestines.


Other debaters?



Please state your claims clearly?!


Do you consider Liver Flush useless?



If yes, how do you explain this?:
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How do we know that some gallstones can exit gallbladder?

It is a well documented medical phenomenon.

Obstruction of the common bile duct is often caused by gallstones that were expelled from the gallbladder:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid...

In patients with chronic Pancreatitis, common bile duct obstruction is reported in 3.2-45.6% of patients; however, only 5-10% of all patients with chronic Pancreatitis require operative decompression of the bile duct.

http://www.virtualgastrocentre.com/diseases.asp?did=191

Passage of gallstones into the common bile duct occurs in approximately 10-15% of patients with Gallstones. The incidence is thus related to the presence of gallstones, which are very common (10-20% of population).

Common bile duct stone References

[1] Braunwald, Fauci, Kasper, Hauser, Longo, Jameson. Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine. 15th Edition. McGraw-Hill. 2001.
[2] Cotran, Kumar, Collins 6th edition. Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease. WB Saunders Company. 1999.
[3] Fletcher, D. Gallstones, In: Tjandra, JJ, Clunie GJ, Thomas, RJS (eds); Textbook of Surgery, 2nd Ed, Blackwell Science, Asia. 2001.
[4] Haslet C, Chiliers ER, Boon NA, Colledge NR. Principles and Practice of Medicine. Churchill Livingstone 2002.
[5] Hurst JW (Editor-in-chief). Medicine for the practicing physician. 4th edition Appleton and Lange 1996.
[6] Kumar P, Clark M. CLINICAL MEDICINE. WB Saunders 2002.
[7] Longmore M, Wilkinson I, Torok E. OXFORD HANDBOOK OF CLINICAL MEDICINE. Oxford Universtiy Press. 2001
[8] McLatchie G and LEaper DJ (editors). Oxford Handbook of Clinical Surgery 2nd Edition. Oxford University Press 2002.
[9] MEDLINE Plus
[10] Raftery AT Churchill's pocketbook of Surgery. Churchill Livingsone 2001.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1119388

Jaundice occurs in patients with gall stones when a stone migrates from the gall bladder into the common bile duct...

Acute pancreatitis

Acute pancreatitis develops in 5% of all patients with gall stones and is more common in patients with multiple small stones, a wide cystic duct, and a common channel between the common bile duct and pancreatic duct. Small stones passing down the common bile duct and through the papilla may temporarily obstruct the pancreatic duct or allow reflux of duodenal fluid or bile into the pancreatic duct resulting in acute pancreatitis.






Disappearing gallstones: Report of 2 cases (p.101-103) by Robin Gray

http://www.bjs.co.uk/bjsCda/cda/microJournalArticleDetail.do;jsessionid=ADD22...



Abstract

Two cases of disappearance of gallstones confirmed by operation are described.

It is suggested that a contributory factor in the disappearance Was the Patient's adherence to a jut-free diet. Recommendations are made concerning the management of patients with multiple small gallstones.



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If you claim that everything green that you find after the flush has been in that shape and size inside your gallbladder or inside your liver, then how do you explain this:

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