--Answer--Muscle spasams? Calcium vs Magnesium--The Logic--

Hi patientadvocate,

I will try to provide some answers to

Your question you posted on another forum:


I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS DISCUSSION FORWARD. TO THE GROUP!
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I am confused by many of the postings on this subject.

Here are some facts TO begin with:

1)Muscle cramping can be caused by hypocalcemia, low calcium in blood.
2) Muscle spasms are not symptoms of hypercalcemia,(just look up merk, wikipedia, medline, etc.)

3)Low calcium can be caused by too much magnesium! (and other things of course)

The question is then:

So, why would anyone recommend more magnesium right off the bat for someone suffering from such symptoms?

The physiology of muscles contracting is influx and outflux of ions not only in motor neuron (to signal the muscle,) but also in and out of the actual muscle cells, (fibers)themselve to cause them to shorten.

The symptoms of too low blood calcium is tetany, cramps, spasm.

So, if a person who is suffering from such, why in the world would you want to start taking magnesium if high magnesium may be causing the problem in the first place?

Blood testing should be done before going wild on magnesium.


LOGICAL PROGRESSION

Quinine sulfate is is used to treat restless legs and cramps.

Sometimes referred to as Night leg syndrome, Night cramps, sleepless leg synrome, nocturnal spasms, (no, not that kind of nocturnal spasm Hv,)

The time of day and onset of these symptoms should be an obvious clue as to what causes these issues. Is it a clue?

Do we all just think our legs go crazy just because of what time it is? Is it the moon the sun. What?

The fact that quinine sulfate treats these so well but doesn't cure them is also a clue of what's actually going on.

Imagine this scenario just for illustration using all these clues and facts put forth herein.

Diuretics, poor nutrietion, thyroid, parathyroid, cancer can create imbalances in electrolytes, (not can,..."do")
This is a fact! Basic and Simple.

More facts:
1) Latest in the day is when we are the most fatigued!
2) The legs have the largest muscles in body.


Well, if you are depleted in the largest muscle in the body, if your largest muscle demands for essential nutrients are highest of all muscles,...chronic depletions will affet these muscle first, would they not.

What depletions are we talking about?

Minerals and there ability to bind to or set up influx of oxygen! (Oh, here we go again!)

It's been proven Calcium binds to oxygen and is actually a transport ion for oxygen,...there are tons of studies that demonstrate this relationship.

So, imagine this scenario played out:

You are depleted in minerals due to one of several reasons.
Well, if you are depleted in minerals, you are also depleted oxygen, low grade, chronic tissue hypoxia causes cramping...always leads to cramping.

This is why athletes take potassium, sodium pills to prevent cramping and muscle fatigue.

So, now you are at your most fatigued time in the day, you are also at your most depleted time of day.

Just to maintain and prevent atrophy or muscle cell injury/ your body must produce lactic acid just to support basic, normal biological functions of the muscle at rest! Never mind excercise and high muscle activity.

You are hypoxic at rest in highest demand muscles and producing lactic acid in these largest muscles in your body.

In fact, low grade hypoxia can cause nerve excitability in a local sense, (not in brain.)

Along comes quinine sulphate. SO4- is it's atomic symbol; being a known oxygen donor, (as in dmso)

If SO4 was a donor of oxygen your legs would become happy, there may still be depletion of minerals but the compensation is made, the ultimate nutrient is supplied anyway and your muscles are happy again.

Your muscles are happy as they can breath and take care of just plain old normal metabolism without stress. With out the excitability of tissue hypoxia and lactic acid formation.

DOES IT ALL FIT THOUGH?

Now, we have an explanation on how leg syndromes:

1)Happen at night

2) why they are treated so easily by a natural substance quinine sulfate

3)Why SO4 works well, it works fast, but never is a cure.

4)How something more is needed that quinine sulfate.


HOW TO TEST THIS THEORY

SO, to partially test this theory simply cross reference quinine sulfate with a suspected or known anaerobic disease to see if it meets the oxygen therapy test.

Or just sulfate!

Now having cross referenced SO4 to auto immune, viruses, anaerobic parasites, anaerobic bacterium, we can see it is implicated in favorable responses to all of these diseases.

Now you can feel comfortable knowing the oxygen donation is what sulfate is doing or at least conclude it is possible.


SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? POSSIBLE?

if you suffer from cramping,... blood chemistries, electrolyte summaries will be helpful diagnostic tools.
See what your calcium, magnesium, potassium levels are.

If you have metabolite embalances, finding the underlying cause is the next step. In the meantime, don't be afraid of taking a little extra calcium with D in your diets.

Sincerely
Bret, .... former jock, current snorkler, fisherman, Father and short- attention- spanned-hyperkenetic, manic!

------------Answer: Muscle Contractions, Spasms, Cramps etc may be Caused because of the Tissues becomming Acidic and staying too Acidic!

How this takes place may vary with what Acids are present and what Alkaline Minerals and Live Carbons may be present!

Our bodys must have ALL of the needed Alkaline Mineral Oxides in reasonable ranges of certain ratios to each other to prevent these problems from coming about and remaining in our Tissues that make up our Muscles!

As you have pointed out "This is why athletes take potassium, sodium pills to prevent cramping and muscle fatigue.", thus any Alkaline Mineral may help prevent these problems to some degree or another, but to have lasting Healing and Relief we must maintain the proper ratios of these Alkalizing Electrolytes to each other!

All Alkaline Minerals are also Oxide Minerals, meaning they may help our body carry extra Oxygen!

Calcium may be Chief among these for this purpose, which is needed to make up our Bone structure and needed by our Muscle Tissues to allow our Muscles to Relax!

Yet, magnesium is required in ratio to the Calcium for the purpose to help our Liver and Kidneys to Remove the Excess Nitrogen Waste from our bodys , which may be Released from our Muscles actions!

Example of this may be Lactic Acids released from our Muscles!

Lactic Acid is an Acid of Nitrogen(Protein) !

Thus if we are lacking in enough magnesium needed to Remove this Excess Nitrogen Waste, the amount of Calcium we may have may not be able to Neutralize the Excess Acids Created because of this Excess Nitrogen Waste!

Thus folks having an Excess of Nitrogen waste may find relief and Relaxation by use of magnesium, which may Remove Nitrogen waste Unit for Unit!

What does this mean? Unit for Unit?

This may mean it may take 1 Unit of Magnesium to Remove 1 Unit of Nitrogen waste!

Where does Magnesium naturally come from in foods?

Green Leafy Vegetables may contain the most magnesium as Chlorophyll!

Who in todays society eats Fresh Top Quality High Brix Leafy greens every day??????????????????

Can we begin to see Why so many folks may be Sick and Diseased from an Excess of Nitrogen Wastes still in our bodys!

Can one begin to understand Why, when we are short of Magnesium and have Nitrogen waste, that our Lymphatic Fluids may become too Acidic from this Nitrogen Waste, thus we may then become short of enough Calcium to help Relax our Muscles?

Again, All Alkaline Minerals may play a role in helping our Muscles Relax because of the Fact they ALL are Oxide Minerals!

Oxide Minerals help the body carry Extra Oxygen in our Lymphatic Fluids, which ALL of our Muscles and Bones are Floating in!

Thus when our Lymphatic Fluids have been allowed to become Too Acidic, we shall not have enough Reserves of Calcium and other needed Alkaline Minerals to help Relax our Muscles after then have Contracted!

Thus we shall end up with Cramps, Charlie horses, Muscle Spasms etc!

As to the question about Sulfates and Why this seems to help in some cases!

The answer to this may be understood when we come to understand the Acid/Alkaline pH Balancing Principles!

The Basics of these Principles are that without Acids the Alkaline Minerals cannot release their Electro-magnetic Energy to Alkalize our Lymphatic Fluids, which our Entire bodys Muscles and Tissues and Bones are Floating in!

Yet, when we are lacking these needed Alkaline Minerals, Calcium 1st then the rest, this Excess of Acids may have No Alkaline Minerals to react against to release their needed Electro-magnetic Energy, which our body must have to Neutralize these Acids released from our Muscles as they preform actions for our body!

Back to the Sulfate question again: Without Calcium or other Alkaline Minerals to react against these Sulfate Acids, which shall result from taking the Sulfate, we shall Fail to Relax our Muscles!

It is the Sulfate Acids, which thus react against Calcium to provide for the Release of Electro-magnetic Energy and it is this Calcium, Potassium, Sodium, magnesium, etc Alkaline Mineral Electro-magnetic Energy, which is what is providing for the relaxing of our Muscles!

The Sulfate is just providing for an Acid needed in our Digestive system to release the Alkaline Mineral Electro-magnetic Energy!

As usual not everything may be as it may 1st seem to be!

Muscle Relaxation depends upon our Lymphatic Fluids having enough Alkaline Mineral Reserves, starting with Calcium and including the rest of the needed Alkaline Minerals to be able to Neutralize the Acids produced as a cause and result of Muscles Contracting!

Magnesium must be avaliable to Remove the Nitrogen waste resulting from our Diet and use of our Muscles producing Lactic Acids(Nitrogen waste)!

Neither Magnesium or Calcium is able by it's self to solve a problem of Muscles Cramps, Spasms, Charlie Horses, etc!

Each Alkaline Mineral has it's own purpose and does not supply the body any help, unless and until this Alkaline Mineral has had some of it's Electro-magnetic Energy released by an Acid!


For the "Beginning" and the "End" of "ALL" Life in the Universe is
controlled by the Acid Alkaline pH Balancing Principles !!!!!!!!!

"ALL" Sickness and Disease is "CAUSED" by the condition of the "Live Matter"
becomming too "ACIDIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Life is "MATTER", so when it becomes too Acidic, this
"Causes" -----------"ALL" "Disease"----------- and "Matter" begins it's
Break down and "Decay" and "Matter" becomes "Released" back into
Electro-magnetic Energy again !

"Nothing" is Gained or Lost, it "ONLY" changes it's form !


Choose Life or Death this Day !

Smile Tis your choice.
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