Sorry I think you are wrong Catlin. I have got private messages in my inbox and its incredible after I posted my thread in the support room. People who are having successes aren't going public here.They don't need to be attacked and abused. So there is a private circle going on in here and they couldn't care less about you debaters.
You had a 'live' chance to check some 'live' proof from otimus. But you didnt bother calling did you?