so let me get this straight: u can't have an opinion of the site and still participate at the same time? i think plasti makes a reasonable point. useless forums such as crapanel's dirty lounge serve no purpose other than flirtation and other speculative drivel. basically a cyber prophylaxis playground for that @hole to have his teenage playtime without disrupting his chemdine forum. not exactly in the spirit of alt healing is it dairy queen? im guessing even chuck's place helped more people than that.