but banning people because they have annoyed you in your forum or anyothers- particularly NON NAMED forums is a rapid form of manipulation for one's own outcome
whether it be sneaking in consulting serives, sales or just not brooking any alernative perception or opinion
In other words both sides of ALL stories have validity, and some CZ Experts are not anything more than egos and fears at play, and some have done much experiment on their own body, and are publicizing their own results such as it has any relevance to any other poster rather than themselves.
And then there si rough play that compromises all that associate with this site.