My Take on Dbal & Other Perspectives

Hello Everyone!

I'd like to give my perspective on this situation regarding Dbal. I think this might give people an understanding of how I'm viewing things in regard to his situation. Within this, is a message to him and I hope that he takes note! Let's put some things to rest before people start bombarding me with "I don't know what I'm talking about".

1) I use to co-manage a physician training program in a former life (this is something that I rarely discuss with anyone, I’m not particularly boastful to family or friends). I know about physicians and their level of training because I had to track all of it! Conventional doctors have very little training in the world of MICROBES! They also don't know everything, obviously; the ones with open-minds are the best because they're willing to learn something even out of their frame of knowledge. Doctors make many mistakes and also treat people largely on what the pharmaceutical companies tell them -- treat symptoms, and not the underlying cause. Doctors have a scientific background, but they are not allowed to use this knowledge to help their patients; i.e., specific protocols. This is a great disservice!

I think it is important to remember that pharm companies have their own agendas and will publish information that best suits them and their overall agenda. We've all seen plenty of posts on the scandalous actions of the FDA with falsifying information, stats, and hiding truths about cures. Doctors and the public have relied heavily on the FDA; doctors also rely heavily on defunct labs to make diagnosis. Therefore, here are 2 major problems for treatment and proper diagnosis. Conventional meds have dangerous side-effects that are far worse than herbal therapies. Not all medicines are bad, but it is dangerous when doctors aren’t really taught about the possibly of driving microbes in deeper (broad spectrum therapies) because of a defunct system.

2) I'm also an alternative practitioner. I'm experienced with putting together herbal formulas, can treat people, etc. I’m very familiar about Humaworm’s formula; it is something close to what I had considered years ago (this was before he came to CZ). This does give me a perspective that many people on these forums don’t have.

The majority of alt practitioners have been taught largely the way of conventional doctors -- treat symptoms with raw herbs (pharm companies use herbs as a base and synthetic compounds which can harm the body more). Some practitioners will go the extra mile by looking at underlying symptoms, but we are largely taught that we must look at other body systems that might be related, as well as mental and spiritual correspondence. Herbal treatments can be superior because of their natural substance to heal the body more effectively without damaging the body like conventional meds. Protocols can be designed specifically. The major problem that I have is that we are taught, to some degree, like conventional doctors to use raw herbs blindly with treating illnesses. Here again, no real training in MICROBES and how they affect the body. Additionally, the majority of alt practitioners have little or no training with applying science when formulating raw herbs. This is a flaw that I’ve noted as a practitioner and a great disservice. If we had more scientific background the alt world would seriously disable conventional methods!

The few practitioners who have the knowledge of herbs and science are Godsends, in my opinion. Few can do this. When certain herbs are used and formulated they can and will act like conventional medicines but without the dangers; IF (that’s a big if!) someone has the background to formulate something superior with scientific knowledge is, in my opinion, uniquely qualified.

I no longer treat people because of what I've learned in the past several years in dealing with microbial creatures; in fact, I refuse because I don’t have enough scientific knowledge for application and true healing. I don't want to hurt anyone. I may only suggest a few things but nothing on the order as I use to. I’m glad I know what I know today because I could very well be in the spot that RG, any herbalist, any alt practitioner, or doctor could be in. A product could have the potential to hurt someone. It can also help to heal a person too. This all depends on many things!

3) It is no great secret that I'm pro-testing after the hells that I've been through and discovery of subsequent problems that I didn't realize existed! The co-factor issue is real and doctors/alt practitioners are so clueless; they have no idea with scant information because of their/our training. No fault of their own, but we MUST change how treatments are done in the future.

For those of you who want to judge whether or not that herbs can harm people you might be jumping to conclusions because you don’t have a true understanding. I'm still learning much, so please don't take this that I'm Ms. Know-it-all! This is complicated stuff and not something so simple! You don’t have proof and many accusations are based off of assumptions that it is impossible for an occurrence to happen.

Conditions can be triggered by herbs or conventional therapies. When you understand and truly learn that microbes can be driven into the body deeper, problems will arise triggering something else because it upsets the “balance” of an off-balance system; hence, hidden MICROBES. Whether or not Dbal had various microbes in his body prior to using HW that set-up the trigger effective should not be the issue; the issue is that it happen. Someone in another post stated that Dbal “caught” something from using HW – catching something and triggering something are completely two different things – I saw no such accusations about catching something from the product. In fact, I would have to laugh and dismiss the entire thing as a joke because the very herbs that RG has formulated kill certain things, but not everything on a cellular level. Whether or not Dbal used HW shouldn’t be an issue in my opinion. In making his point, the brand is irrelevant. People need to do plenty of research before jumping in blindly and ask plenty of questions. What is good for one person, may not be good for another. Some people are heavily infested, some are not!

The very point that I saw in his post is that he stated for people to get tested because you don’t have any idea what may happen through blind treatments – this was in his original message!

What is the real issue, now, is that his life has changed dramatically to the point that his life is now short-lived. Do you not comprehend this? Death! For this reason, I will not allow any of you on this Forum to scandalize a dying person with name calling and false accusations. How do you have the nerve to say such things? I understand your frustration because RG has helped many people, but to take matter to this level is beyond me. Speak your mind all you want here but name calling for a dying person is out for me.

As a person who is viewing this things from the perspective of RG or myself (with disrupting hidden dangers), I believe that I'm in a unique position to look at things from either perspective.

In this understanding and I realize Dbal’s anger who has lashed out at RG. However, RG is a mature man and RG is NOT dying. I do believe that RG is mature enough to understand Dbal’s anger, whether you think it is misplaced or not. I allowed Dbal’s post to stay with some venting because it has a larger message and I don’t feel that he has been fully embraced without being torn down (I don’t expect him to continue to bash RG either). Also, when a person is critically ill there mindset is what it is and there should be patience and understanding. Has it ever occurred to anyone (who have been extremely judgmental) that perhaps if Dbal had full support here he may not have to be so forceful these days in his message? The negative attacks towards him, the stronger his message has become, in my observations. Think about that. I’m not talking about support for him to take more supplements that are unproven without scientific knowledge for his condition because it is obvious to me that “something” internally could make matters worse without looking at them. Again, I use the word compassion or empathy here.

For Dbal or anyone else:

You have taken the stance that you don’t have parasites. You don’t know that for sure and have made an assumption based off a faulty system set-up by the medical establishment. I've spent hard years looking into this deeply. You should look into the reason for this (if you have the time) because there are many! There is plenty of evidence that lab testing is poor whether or not you or your doctor wants to acknowledge this; must I emphasize other co-factors involved that are hardly recognized!? You mentioned testing, but what PROOF do you have with a defunct system that things are 100% accurate?

I agree with Trapper, it seems as though you have taken the stance that all is "hopeless" If this is the case, then so be it. You are a young man and there is much you need know. If you truly want to live, get busy and stop wasting time with either stopping or slowing down the progress altogether. Miracles happen to people everyday – even for impossible cases – things can occur that doctors can’t explain through a series of events. Therefore, I wouldn’t put my entire trust in a doctor who doesn’t even own a simple tool, like a microscope in his office to see things for himself! I won't entirely dismiss everything that they have to say either, but there are many things that they need to learn.

If you want people to learn something on this forum then teach us! What is your real message (we already know how angry you are)? Are you alerting people to the dangers that by blindly treating yourself could lead to dangers? Is your message only about Humaworm? Are you only using RG to make a larger point that herbal medicines could be equally dangerous as conventional meds? Do you want us to learn about ALS? Do you want us know or believe that there is no hope in your situation? How can we support you in the best way we can (I haven't see you ask anyone to help with research because there are 1000's of users here; some people are better researchers than others)? What is your real agenda and how can we help?

I’ll leave you with this quote, from an interview that Cora supplied on the P Forum with Dr. Monus. Please read all and take it into consideration carefully. You can find the entire interview if you search for it on your own.

Dr. Donald Monus, ND – The Monus Research Foundation - World-renown & in Who’s Who - Florida
“We even noticed that the disease stopped neurological damage that was done from the different bacteria, viruses, and parasites gnawing on the nerve endings and the myelin sheath. When we saw this, we realized that we had something and that the treatments of orthodox medicine may not be addressing the situation properly. That is the problem with most diseases today. They are being symptomatically-treated.

We always see a parasitical element with disease, either a virus, a parasite or both. We also see a bacterial combination of all three. Funguses are in there, too. Then, we also see how the cells are damaged from free radical damage. When I read the blood through a high powered microscope, I can see the damage to the red blood cells.”

Peace Be With You!

DD