Reality Check

Shroom has not been attacked.
He's been challenged and exposed for his attacks towards the integrity of our Forum when he attempted to diagnose a sufferer.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1007074#i

Action brings forth reaction.  The lesson here is stay away from the MD forum with half truths and impersonations. Opinions will always be welcome into the MD forum.

It may also be helpful to everyone if they kept a proper perspective. Shroom stated the following:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1010862#i
 

"You seem to have much criticism for my work--but you cannot prove me wrong, because you offer no scientific opposition directly related to my findings.

I will not oppose any challenge to my findings. I will provide concrete evidence, and all records and samples to anyone willing to take on the task."

Based upon this, we were invited to follow-through with openness to question things. Therefore, this is and has never been an attack on Shroom and far from it. The picture has some unanswered questions. I've only published a few questions but it seems as though he has refused to answer or unable to, whichever the case, it has left things ambiguous. There are also many other questions on some other things he has mentioned since the invitation was issued. Since he has been unable to answer anything, the doubt remains. I'm stunned that people would choose to ignore the possibility or not have the slightest questions in mind. I don't understand why the questions can't be answered, doesn't make sense to me.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1012496#i

As for the Parasite Forum there was no “ulterior motive” that has been suggested by individuals and you obviously don’t understand logic. It seemed appropriate to put that post on the P Forum since the originals were posted over there – nothing more to it -- the picture in question was not posted on the MD Forum originally. If it had been posted on our Forum there would be absolutely no purpose in going over to the P Forum – what for? -- there would be no logic in it. Since my post and the thread was removed from the Parasite Forum, I clearly stated that I was bringing forward some information that I felt needed to be looked at and I wasn't interested in a "debate". If people wanted to discuss it was their prerogative. I also made myself clear that there are questions that may need to be answered, because as it stands the picture seems to be extremely questionable. Simple answers, that's all, no debate.

Within that same thread that was removed Shroom added that he "doesn't have to explain himself".  Why not? He openly invited the questioning and the examination. People now sheepishly agree that he doesn’t have to do anything. In this country we’re kinda use to that behavior, aren’t we? Look at the mess this country is in and look at our leaders of this country that you voted for. People see things but no real questioning as things continue to run amuck.

For some reason, I’d expected more truthful inquiring minds on these forums, but I’m wrong. I also want to say that with the post being removed from the P Forum and that NO one else had further questions on the 5 things that were pointed out, it now seems apparent of possible motivations (it is a question that I now have). There are some larger questions other than just the picture in question. A poster strongly implied that the P Forum is their forum. When did the public forum become a private forum? It is my forum too! It seems as though there are politics, unseen and unscrupulous motivations that may need to be examined further. Maybe yes or maybe no, but it has given me reason to pause.

Why is it that when we were on the P Forum people felt that we're an asset and people saw the genuine concern we had for them. As soon as we make it known that we wanted to have a forum, PLUS with intentions of helping people in a real way, there was instant negativity trying to pull us down claiming that there are "ulterior motives". May I remind those who have forgotten, from the very beginning (go find the posts), I've stated clearly that I wanted to help people with this problem. Apxr has clearly explained how he has helped people through his research with people. Nothing has changed, only the perception which, unfortunately, has become faulty.

Whether I'm on the P Forum or on this Forum, I still have the same concerns and have consistently voiced them clearly. I have NOT been two-faced with niceties or afflicted with mental illness. The one thing that seems to be apparent with some folks is that there is an addiction problem – an addiction with holding onto infections, especially for those who prejudge or who have unseen motivations. How many years has it been or will it be with the continuation of "cleansing" without real relief of those afflictions deep within?

Someone who is deeply inflicted suggested that our behavior was due to "heavy infestation, as parasites will make you mean". Are they sure about that – or are assuming once again – how do they know for sure that one or both of us are afflicted? Perhaps your "afflictions" have blinded you to the degree that you've lost objectivity and balance – don't ask questions or demand truthfulness, and let's all turn a blind eye. Is that how it goes?

From the same confused poster who started their post:

"Heavy infestation might explain why some people get all upset for seemingly no reason at all, and come after you all mean-like." Later on the post talks about not diagnosing people. Hmmm…. Sounds familiar!

Does that poster know how to read? Let's not forget that the main character involved tried to diagnose or give an authoritative opinion on matters! For the poster to say "no good reason" and to imply or to openly state that we have been "mean" is rather moot when the person involved continued to be rude, disrespectful, jeering and insulting on a continual basis. What about THAT – that which has been refused to be acknowledged? This is equivalent to a child throwing a tantrum and instead of proper discipline the child is given cookies as a reward. I suppose some individuals think this behavior is okay? Don't question it or not be firm – how do you respond when it's being done to you? Dare I ask, what have you done in the past?

One particular person deals with it in this fashion -- the person speaks of "ulterior motives" – I suppose they know more about it than I do! I have had to ask myself what was the sweet "hello" email about and then to discover shortly afterwards that they've written a nasty post – that's two-faced behavior in my book. The person should think about why I turned down their offer (as politely as I could) to help “bring people” to us. If there was an “ulterior motive” on my part, as a greedy person, I would have accepted such an offer. If the person were honest, they could've easily written me an email letting me know that they thought there was "idiocy" going on or ask some more questions. Instead, they choose to laugh. To me, that the sickest and most dangerous kind of behavior. Yeah, let's Talk about "mean" parasite behavior -- they ought to know.

Lastly, I leave a thought for the "judges" to think upon.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1014009#i

"I knew this was coming, and as always I almost fell off my chair laughing. Thanks Glaxony LoveU 2----Shroom"

Perhaps with blatant disrespectful behavior, this was the true agenda and a fine manipulation, I might add – I’ve seen it before -- why else would that person be "laughing"? The other person who openly admitted to laughing too and disrespectfully calls people "idiots" may show signs of sickness of a deeper nature. These things I've had to consider based on the email, the posts, etc. Seems like an “idiotic” thought? Perhaps not, we’ve seen strange things on CZ.

Let’s keep in mind the poster invited us to question his work! Therefore, I have reasons for bringing up things in question. Do you think I’d frivolously and openly do something without thought? Have I ever done it before? What would possess me to do it now? How could I respect myself or let alone those who I’m trying to help with such frivolousness? Only an immature or sick-minded individual would think or behave like that. I have been consistent and expressed concern -- I have not been two-faced. I tell and say things as I see them. I’ve always been like that. The fact that the post was removed from the P Forum goes to show that people want to believe that I’m deeply disturbed with evil intentions. Dare I say, those who think such thoughts are the ones who might possess that kind of behavior, not I.

I've found nothing to laugh at nor have I found anything funny in these regards. Perhaps an examination might be in order at the "heavy infestation" issue with more seriousness.

You can continue to reward and embrace those disrespectful people with support and “hugs”. I’m sorry, but I don’t have cookies to toss their way for rewarding bad behavior.