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I did my first Liver Flush on June 24/25 (about three weeks ago) - I got about 200 stones out, including a few big ones, a few really evil looking ones and some small red worms.
Since doing the flush, I've dropped close to twelve pounds with no effort and my appetite has increased a good bit. My BM's are also a lot more consistent, and I've become very regular. I should also say I stopped taking my triglyceride medicine to give my liver a chance to "settle in"; I haven't started retaking it yet. On the down side, I also had a real bad summer cold which ended in ear congestion that just cleared yesterday. Whether or not it had anything to do with a post-flush Herxmeier effect, I don't know or want to speculate.
Anyhow, my stomach has been bothering me for the past two months, even prior to doing the flush. I went to the doctor last Thursday (July 15), which was my first doctor's visit after the flush. He took some blood to check for H. Pilori bacteria (ulcer bacteria), pancreas and liver function. Everything came out okay; all my levels were well within normal (PHEW!). Turns out that I probably have a mild case of gastritis. I'm supposed to go for an upper GI exam to rule out ulcers.
Here's the interesting part though, and I'm actually VERY excited. My doctor's visit was at 3:00PM. The day of the visit, I ate a packet of Quaker instant oatmeal at 9:30AM, a banana at 10:30AM, and a cup of yogurt and an apple around 11:30AM. Although I knew that it wouldn't provide accurate results as I was not fasting, I asked my doctor to check my triglyceride level too. I did the Liver Flush in the first place to try and bring my triglyceride level down. My last blood lipid profile after a 12 hour fast showed my trigylceride level to be 1285; a prior fasting test had it closer to 1400. I was on triglyceride medication at the time when both these tests were taken.
NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS; despite having been off medication for roughly 3 weeks, and despite it being a non-fasting triglyceride level test, my triglyceride level dropped to 900! This is a drop of almost 385 points in three weeks, and I cannot help but think the flush played a huge role in this. Let me reiterate: NONFASTING TEST AND NO MEDICATION FOR 3 WEEKS!!! All after only one productive flush, too.
I should have a fasting test done to see how close to normal my fasting levels have gotten, but I'm very encouraged. Once I have gotten a fasting test result, I'll post and let everyone know.
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This is a reply to # 96,463Yo Rotgut, I totally understand your TG(triglyceride) problem. I had the same, though mine was not nearly as bad as yours. At my highest, I was up to 240 lbs and my TG was 477. W/ a combo of low carb + veggies and exersize I'm down to 168 lbs and my TG was 74. I took lipitor for 8 months but stopped because I felt it to be evil stuff. Flushing will help your troubles.
You should also work on losing that extra weight. Carbs are the biggest source of hi TG and hi TG is the biggest reason for stone formation.
Flush free niacin lowers TG and raises HDL
Fish oil raises HDL which helps cart away TG
Low carb reduces TG
Exercise increases HDL and reduces TG
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This is a reply to # 96,467Thanks for the input SP,
Interestingly enough, I have never had a weight problem. I'm 5'9" - before the flush I weighed about 182 to 185; I have a medium frame with a thin building. I now weigh in about 170; I really don't want to go any lower.
I agree about the medicine. I've been on Gemfibrizol, Lipitor, and Niaspan. I was also on Tricor for a very short period (less than a week) a while back, and my Dr. recently represcribed it for me. While on medication, my triglycerides may have been regulated to some degree, but still got progressively worse. They went from border line high around 1995 to their current high levels of 1300 to 1400 while on the meds. Admittedly, I didn't incorporate enough dietary changes while I was on them. I haven't started using Tricor again, even though my doctor wants me to. I might start again once my stomach is 100%.
I'd like to keep flushing, but my wife, who is 5 months pregnant with a bad back and a rambunctious 2 year old, wants me to put it on hold for a while. She isn't comfortable with the potential "risks".
My priority right now is restricting refined sugar, flower and sweeteners from my diet, limiting coffee and alchohol intake, heavily reducing fried and fatty foods, eating more fresh fish and trying to find an exercise regime that fits my life style and, more importantly, my disposition. I've also made efforts to get flax seed oil in my diet (instead of fish oil) and improve my dietary fiber intake. I've been taking a B complex vitamin with Niacin, vitamin C and zinc, but I really don't like taking a lot of supplements, as they irritate my stomach.
If my TG's continue to drop, I'll do another flush sometime after my wife recovers from delivery and is back on her feet. Until then, I'm going to remain active in this forum. Thanks to everyone for all I've learned here, especially you and Southern Belle.
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This is a reply to # 96,482If your weight is low and you still have high TG than it's most likely that you have congenital hypertriglyceridemia. Still, cutting out the carbs will really help. I was surprised myself.
BTW, I couldn't hack niaspan, instead I used flush free niacin (Inositol Hexanicotinate), it works as well w/ no side effects.
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This is a reply to # 96,492Again, your right on the money SP. I had a problem with the Niaspan too. Within about 4 days after starting it, I developed my stomach problem.
I agree about my triglyceride condition being hypertriglyceridemia. BUT, my elevated triglycerides developed over a fixed time span, leading me to believe that they are asymptomatic of a separate underlying condition - cumulative liver congestion. The following is a direct quote from http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2921.htm which raised my eyebrows. It appears basically as a small afterthought in a large article on hypertriglyceridemia:
"Other causes (of hypertriglyceridemia), such as common bile duct obstruction and alcoholism, must be considered as possible etiologies."
There is a circular relationship of healthy bile flow and good cholesterol and triglycerides readings; you can't have one without the other. You need unobstructed biliary ducts for the production and free flow of healthy bile, which allows for the proper digestion and full breakdown and absorption of dietary fats. When properly processed by the GI tract with the aid of healthy and appropriate quantities of bile, the liver can reabsorb, regulate and eliminate blood lipids in a manner which will stabilize cholesterol and triglycerides. This also leads to the production of future healthy bile stores.
I'm guessing that if I cleared my liver, my TG's would normalize. I feel like my bile flow is better now because I appear to digesting food much more efficiently (fewer and smaller BM's with consistent coloration), I've lost weight easily, and my appetite has increased.
Is the flush free niacin an over the counter supplement, and what's the recommended dosage? Are there any side effects?
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I can see you know a lot about TG. Yes, I agree w/ you on the biliary obstructions causing high TG and cholesterol. I really agree, if you blow that stuff out your lipids will normalize.
Flush free niacin, or Easy Niacin is over-the-counter. You can get it at Walmart or Walgreen's etc. I took 500mg twice a day, no side effects at all for me. After losing the weight and cleaning up my diet I finally weened myself off of lipitor and niacin. Things seem to be working OK. I still take Fish oil and Cholestyramine (which binds up excess bile acids). The difference has been pretty dramatic for me, though I still have the occasional bad day where I'm not feeling great.
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This is a reply to # 96,463As quickly as your health is improving, you will need to change your name very soon.......
Congratulations!
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