please advise on my personal protoco... 
earthman
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I was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in early July and given by allopathic doctors about six months. I immediately started on an alternative treatment plan from information gathered from a variety of sources. I eventually ended up finding CureZone.com, among others, and started taking advice from anything that sounded legitimate.
Other than feeling fatigued more often than usual, I’m feeling relatively good. That was until about two weeks ago when I started on Oleander Soup. I’m not sure if it has been the Oleander or a combination of everything I’m flooding my body with, but it has reached a point where I can’t follow my treatment plan schedule due to the constant nausea.
I followed the Oleander Soup recipe (according to Tony Isaac’s ebook) and mixed it with apple cider vinegar to preserve. But I’ve reached a point where just looking at the bottle makes me gag. Of course, it could be the combination of the other supplements, and that brings me to my question. 1) Could anyone give me advice on my present protocol (below)? I was hoping that the combination of all I’m ingesting would act synergistically, but with my luck, it’s all probably counteracting one another? 2) I am attempting 1-2 coffee enemas daily and am having an impossible time trying to keep my acidity down. Could it be the coffee? Should I discontinue the coffee enemas that are so highly recommended in the Gerson Protocol? 3) Should I seriously consider implementing any of the electronic protocols such as Beck or Rife into my treatment?
I would appreciate any advice from someone familiar with pancreatic cancer as I feel as if I’m beginning to fade somewhat. I don’t mean to be rude, but please, do not provide hearsay information, as sifting through all of so much information is not only time consuming, but very exhausting. Thank you for reading and thank you for your time. God bless.
This is my personal protocol that I’m having a very difficult time following most days. As a matter of fact, I rarely fulfill my entire schedule due to nausea.
9 AM:
•1st Cancer Attacking Supplements: (IP-6 & Inositol, Cats Claw, Vit. C , Flaxseed oil, Maitake Gold, Liqui-Kelp, H2O2, Pau D’ Arco, Triphala, AlkaMax)& 4-5 oz. of Colliodal Silver.
10:00 AM:
•Oatmeal (organic)
•Once and twice a day Health Support Vitamins (once a day: multi-caps, b-comp, b-12, DHEA) + (twice a day at meal times: black salve, bromelain, Sun Chlorella, silymaria, flax oil, spirulina, D3, potassium, calcium, magnesium, pancreas caps, chaparral, selenium, beta-glucan, MSM, E, grape seed extract)
•Oleander soup
10:30 AM:
•Begin brewing coffee
•Meditation/prayer
11:00 AM
•Juice
•Coffee Enema
11:30:
•Yoga
12 Noon:
•Meal (organic/usually salad)
•Oleander soup
1PM:
•Meditation/prayer
2PM:
•Juice
•Work Out
3PM:
•Bike Ride
4PM:
•2nd Cancer Attacking Supplements: (IP-6 & Inositol, Cats Claw, Vit. C , Flaxseed oil, Maitake Gold, Liqui-Kelp, H2O2, Pau D’ Arco, Triphala, AlkaMax)
•Meditation/Prayer
•Shower
5PM:
•Meditation/Prayer
•Juice
6PM:
•Meal (organic)
•Twice A Day Health Support Vitamins (twice a day at meal times: black salve, bromelain, Sun Chlorella, silymaria, flax oil, spirulina, D3, potassium, calcium, magnesium, pancreas caps, chaparral, selenium, beta-glucan, MSM, E, grape seed extract)
•Oleander soup
7PM: Open
8PM:
•Juice
•Meditation/Prayer
9PM:
•Coffee Enema
10PM:
•3rd Cancer Attacking Supplements: (IP-6 & Inositol, Cats Claw, Vit. C , Flaxseed oil, Maitake Gold, Liqui-Kelp, H2O2, Pau D’ Arco, Triphala, AlkaMax)
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... Aharleygyrl
17 y
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This is a reply to # 952,820
I don't know about your protocol, but here is the advice I give on cancer.
Torrie
The Cure For Cancer
http://curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=1184&i=44
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... earthman
17 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 952,825Thank you Torrie, I contacted a woman at the clinic who will have a rep call me in the morning. I did visit their website and it most definitely appears as if they cover A-Z. Nevertheless, where is one to go? Gerson? Kelly? Hoxsey? There seems to be so many legitimate treatments. I suppose I’ll pray on it and make a decision soon. The cancer predicament has put me into a financially tough spot, so money (unfortunately) will also be a determining factor. I am in the west, so Tijuana may be my best option. Thanks again.
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... AHarleyGyrl
17 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 953,125
it is a cancer hospital and they will try to sell you treatments and many cost $15,000 and up, but alivizatos is price controlled at about $5,000. it is only word of mouth. unless you know about it, they will try to sell you a more expensive treatment, because that is not a money-maker at all for the hospital. you have to know the whole history behind it to understand why. plus, it is a hospital like any other and hospitals like to make money. myself and my family, we will only do alivizatos. if you need help here, i live 23 miles from the hospital (i live 20 miles from the border) and have been there many times (spent a month there back in 2000 and have been a couple times since just to say hi to people there i know). that hospital always has the top cancer treatments in the world, and i am not saying they don't work, because i know they do, but the staff there told me they would try alivizatos if they had a choice. i agree. hoxsey has cured people, but sometimes it doesn't work. gerson is more of a diet than a cancer cure in my opinion; myself, if i were going to do it, i would get a cancer treatment first and then use it. Teresa is the coodinator there and she can schedule you and set it all up if you need her to. http://curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=1184&i=44 You will have to be on a certain diet for a while and it will all be explained to you later.
Torrie
858-279-5072
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... AHarleyGyrl
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... earthman
17 y
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... digitalman
17 y
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This is a reply to # 952,820Please educate yourself on the work of Dr Kelley, who himself had pancreatic cancer and beat it, and the subsequent of Dr Gonzalez on the this approach to health. Understanding individual metabolism is critical to know what approach to take to beat the cancer. One thing will behave differently depending on how your body reacts to it (metabolism driven).
On the case of cancer, Dr Kelley believes that the inability of producing enzymes (specially proteolitic in nature) allows uncontrolled cell growth and subsequent tumor formation.
Since the body is always forming new tissue, it is up to these proteolitic enzymes to destroy old cell and unregulated cell growth. When the enzymatic output is affected, quite often due to wrong diet, there is less and less enzymes available to do these regulatory job. And since diet has to do with your metabolic constitution, it is important to know how you are built so that we may know what foods should to eat or not eat.
Since pancreatic cancer severely disrupt enzyme output, it is often the most aggressive form of cancer.
It is interesting to note that when a fetus is growing via fast cell division and differentiation, it will grow until the pancreas is formed and starts producing enzymes. This stops additional growth/differentiation, and maintain a proper cell growth/destruction balance.
Pancreatic function is tied in with glandular dominance and this is tied in with metabolic typing.
Typical Dr Kelley/Dr Gonzalez cancer protocol will involve introducing massive amounts of pancreatic enzymes to counteract the unregulated cell growth. coffee enemas and nutritional guidance based on your metabolic type are essential components of this protocol as well.
Additional tools can help customize a protocol since there is individual variation between metabolic types and can help modulate protocol as to avoid any allergens or unnecessary nutritional strain.
Biofeedback/kinesiology can help with this, with tools such as meridian stress assessment (electroaccupuncture EAV), QXCI/SCIO.
http://www.drkelley.com/
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... earthman
17 y
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This is a reply to # 952,852Thanks for your advice on Kelley. I do know of him, but know his protocol vaguely. I’ll begin reading the book in the morning and hopefully I can find some direction. The pancreatic enzymes? If I do attempt to do this on my own, how would I obtain such supplements? Thanks again
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... digitalman
17 y
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This is a reply to # 953,127I would certainly recommend having some supervise the protocol but there are a few sites that sell high potency enzymes as per Dr Kelley recommendation
http://www.sawilsons.com/uskelley.html
http://www.road-to-health.com/am/publish/article_119.shtml
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... digitalman
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... earthman
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... Naturalist
17 y
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This is a reply to # 952,820Something that jumped out at me in your protocol was the H202. It can and often does cause one to be very nauseated and want to gag. I am assuming you are taking it orally. Stop taking it and see if that helps. Make it part of your detox bath instead. Are you familiar with the book "Flood Your Body With Oxygen" by Ed McCabe. He no longer recommends taking H202 orally.
My husband has cancer so I have made it a study for the last 3 years. That means nothing more than I am a work in progress as far as knowledge.
I would not stop taking the coffee enemas and I would also recommend you study Dr. Kelley's therapy. Find out what your metabolic type is.
May God Bless and Keep You...*Naturalist
P.S. Have you posted this on Tony Isaac’s forum since you are consuming Oleander Soup.- Re: please advise on my personal pro... earthman
17 y
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This is a reply to # 952,901Losing the H2o2 from my regiment doesn’t hurt my feelings a bit. I will drop it immediately. As far as knowing my metabolic type, how would I go about finding that out? Thanks for your time and blessings.
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... #68716
17 y
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This is a reply to # 953,128Hi, i am not a doctor or naturapath, however i have spent a lot of time researching natural complementary treatments for my brother who is almost finished chemotherapy for acute myloid leukemia. I am trying to convince him to go and see a professional herbalist. Anyway it seems to me that ur taking to many things in the hope that they will work synergistically.
I think u should seek professional help to determine the best 3-4 supplements to take out of the thousands that r available, and take them in high dosage. they should be tailored to balance ur specific internal environment and address such issues as Ph, detox, immune function etc. Although Echinacea is commonly available in supermarkets, naturapaths use it in massive doses to increase NK (natural killer cells) which are the White blood cells that control cancer, or this is what i have read.
Bottom line is see a professional herbalist so u know ur not wasting ur time, money, energy and emotions on taking endless supplements that may be interfering with each other. - Re: please advise on my personal pro... Naturalist
17 y
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This is a reply to # 953,128There is a questionnaire in this book that will help you determine what your metabolic type is.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-0541196-6129662?initialSearch=1&url=...
Dr. Mercola used to have a free online test. Here is an article from his website.
http://www.mercola.com/2002/dec/28/metabolic_typing.htm
Have you done your cleanses...colon, liver, parasite, kidney? I would also leave grain out of my diet for the time being...sugar
If money is an issue for you. I would be more than happy to send you supplements that you need. No strings attached...Just out of caring.
Get plenty of rest.
Wishing You Abundant Health...*Naturalist- Re: please advise on my personal pro... inna1kre
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... inna1kre
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... Naturalist
17 y
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This is a reply to # 953,128Earthman, Whatever it is you decide to do, please check into cleansing your body, eating the right foods, and take pancreatic enzyme in-between and with your meals. The pancreatic enzymes are imperative for you.
May God Bless You...*Naturalist
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... #68716
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- Re: please advise on my personal pro... #113400
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This is a reply to # 952,901Will you please suggest how to determine one's metabolic tipe?
For my relative with cancer we used Hair Mineral Analysis (Trace Elements Inc.), but it seems to me that their classification is different from Kelley's.
Thank you for your time.
- Re: please advise on my personal pro... earthman
17 y
8,210
- Liver flush, Parasites Cleanse? White Shark
17 y
8,811
This is a reply to # 952,820You listed many supplements, but you don't say in what worm are those?
Are those pills, tablets, tinctures?
I would personally eliminate most tablets and would rely on tinctures, at least when it comes to herbs.
Tablets contain fillers, and may be polluted during the production process.
Many active ingredients in herbs get destroyed while tablets are heated.
You must start the parasites cleanse and you must start flushing your liver!!!
Liver Flush is very important.
I believe it is hard to cure pancreas without flushing your liver. Yes, coffee enema may help some ... but please start doing liver flushes, at least every second week.
What is your diet like?
I believe diet is more important then supplements.
No sugar. No processed foods!
Eliminate fruit juices! Pancreas does not like too much sugar, not even natural one from fruit juices.
What about physical activity?
What about your environment? I would personally leave city (if I would be living in one), and would move to a mountain, some cottage, no electricity.
Physical work would be fishing, hunting, collecting berries.
You must go barefoot, down to the ground, if you want to beat cancer.
White Shark- Re: Liver flush, Parasites Cleanse? GrannyCat
17 y
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This is a reply to # 953,133It seems to me that you are doing way too much. I sense fear in your posts too.
If it was me, I'd start from the ground up. Start with a clean diet of fresh foods, get alkaline, get cleansed of parasites, detox your body, drink plenty of pure water, green drinks, take probiotics, get lots of fresh air and exercise [walking is excellent!], de-stress. Curezone has tons of information.
Wittle the supplements down a lot. I hear Par D'arco tea is excellent. Keep things simple.
Cancer is cancer is cancer. It's all same thing [which I believe is fungus!] it just hits the part of the body that's the weakest. FEAR NOT! Cancer has many cures! Doctors aren't God. Only God is God.
One day at a time, you will get through this and on your way to good health again!- Re: Liver flush, Parasites Cleanse? #68594
17 y
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This is a reply to # 953,238
What makes you think cancer is a fungus? I came to the very same conclusion and apparently quite a few people did too including a doctor in Italy Tullio Simoncini. When you look at all the treatments available for cancer, I mean natural ones, most of them are antifungals. I'm just curious why exactly you came to this conclusion.
In response to the protocol I agree with everyone above - too many supplements. Quite understandable, I spent a couple thousand myself when I first went the natural way. Well, someone will be richer, but it won't be me. I've come full circle from ingesting all kinds of "useful" supplements to just concentrating on a few things and most importantly not stressing out. I have been looking into Oleander soup myself, but haven't tried it yet. Did you make yours yourself? Scanning through the list that's the one thing that jumped out at me. Oleander is of course extremely poisonous so after ingesting it for a while I wouldn't be surprised at it making you feel sick and what not. Also taking too many supplements is acidifying. Believe it or not everything your body needs is found in the natural foods which are right under your nose. No one has yet beat God at His game.- Re: Liver flush, Parasites Cleanse? LuellaMay
17 y
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This is a reply to # 955,668
"No one has yet beat God at His game."
Love this.
Did you see the post from Dr. Marc Swanepoel to earthman with regard as to the cooking of Oleander? Also, Dr. Swanepoel who is healing cancer and aids patients with Oleander has just put his Oleander remedy in capsule form, for about, I think it is $75.00 if you are interested. Let me invite you to Tony's Oleander Forum where you can learn all about the plant. If you choose to cook it, at first you take 1/4 of a teaspoon and then work yourself up to a tablespoon in order to prevent nausea and the other terrible side effects. earthman on top of taking too many supplements, I believe increased his Oleander a bit too quickly. Here is the forum link. There are also plenty of articles and information there for you.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/oleandersoup/
Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. If I cannot answer them myself, I will find someone who can.
Luella
- Side Effects? Tony Isaacs
17 y
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This is a reply to # 955,678Many people report few or no side effects, and virtually no one considers them to be "terrible". Now, some find the taste not at all pleasant (which is pretty much remedied if my instructions are followed for taking half under the tongue, mixing the other half in a glass of juice such as pomegranate, waiting at least 30 seconds and then taking a drink of the juice to wash down the oleander under the tongue.). The new capsules, which sell for $70 including shipping are another option.
I think filtering has a lot to do with side effects - and recommend a final filtering through 3-4 layers of unbleached coffee filters. Almost no one who follows that final filtration step ever reports side effects - and it is worth noting that the makers of the patent medicine version, which is filter the oleander extract through less than 4 micron filters report no side effects from the oral use. Relative health may also have something to do with whether any of the normally mild to modest side-effects of nausea, loose stools and minor temperature are experienced. Frequently a person on an effective cancer protocol will feel worse initially as his supplement and body begin to fight the cancer cells and the toxins and lactic acid from the cancer cell are released.
Myself, I never experienced anything except for perhaps a bit of loose stool. That and going blecch until I figured out to do the half and half under the tongue and juice routine.
Live long, live healthy, live happy!
Tony
- Re: Side Effects? AHarleyGyrl
17 y
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This is a reply to # 958,793
question about this soup stuff.
1. you can take it just to be healthy? not for just cancer?
2. it will soon be available in capsules?
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- Re: Liver flush, Parasites Cleanse? #68594
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