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This is a reply to # 953,067the article you referred to has been around a long time... the shame is that this is not AA at all... this is a wolf in sheeps clothing... this is someone using the AA fellowship for their own personal agenda... and it has been my experience that there is always payback for everything we do... if we do bad things... bad things will befall us... "in spades"... (prostate cancer...!!!)
it seems that most newcomers place all the emphasis of recovery on 'not drinking'... but the big book specifically points out that "alcohol/drinking/drugs was merely a symptom"... (page 64)... and it goes on to say on that same page that "that once the spiritual malady is overcome we straighten out mentally and physically"... which i can only interpret to mean that our "dis-ease" is one of a spiritual nature rather than being physical or mental as many believe...
the problem with young people... (most people)... is that they are searching for happiness and fulfillment outside of themselves... they have been conditioned to believe that someone else is responsible to make them happy/content/fulfilled... but this is a delusion/lie that if we do not come to a clear understanding will drive us right back to the bottle... for truly... "HAPPINESS IS AN INSIDE JOB... AND COMES FROM RIGHT LIVING"...
but stories like this one have been going on since time began... ever since adam & eve... God asked adam why he ate of the apple... and adam blamed eve... and eve blamed the snake... and the poor snake didn't have a leg to stand on... lol... ;-)
and for all you biblical scholars... perhaps you noticed that cain slew able... he didn't just kick his ass... he 'killed' him... so it seems that our bad behavior hasn't changed a whole helleva lot... has it...???
the bottom line is simply this... i can't change anyone other than myself... but... by changing me i have managed to make the world a better place to live... for at the very least i have taken one practicing alcoholic off the highways... so therefore the rest of the world is a safer place to live... but i also sincerely believe that the spiritual way of life one learns to live by attending meetings and attempting to live by practicing the principles of AA... helps the world in a far greater way that most of us will probably ever realize...
all i have to say is...
"it's a wonderful day in the neighborhood"... (unless 'you' decide otherwise)
lol...
;-)
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- Re: nope... not true... shadowalker164
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This is a reply to # 953,785A good rule of thumb for people just coming in, read just getting sober, is to get a sponsor. I have read that story before and I am not questing the truth of it, but from my experience, older women sponsors have saved younger women in the program an enormous amount of heartache.
There are some sorry men in and out of AA, and they will and do take advantage of pretty young women if they can. I have seen it. But I have also seen an older wiser woman acting as a real sponsor read the riot act to a would be predator. Saving her sponsee from maybe going back out because of someone else’s selfish, self centered and fear ridden actions.
I heard this woman with maybe 30 years under her belt, put it this way. “They call it 13th stepping because it is simple math. Add parts of step one and step 12 together. My life is unmanageable and I want to share it with you!”
To any young woman out there reading this thread, find a female sponsor with a few years in the program, and stick real close to her. She can steer you past some of the bad actors that do haunt some meetings.
And to the men, if you see some looser moving in on some scared, and green young woman early in her sobriety, step up. Call him to the side and tell him that that ain’t the way. Tell him to straighten up or move on.
This is our program, and we are responsible for how it goes.
Richard
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- Re: Better to Listen to the Big Book... alcoholic
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This is a reply to # 953,981Take a closer look, To care one has to be aware of. The DC group is about the promotion of sponsorship not A.A's that God could and would if sought. TRUTH IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT UP. The claim to know the truth only comes from the S.S. I just sit on the side lines and watch the circus while others get caught up in it's promotional propagandas. THERE IS MANY SUBSTITUTIONS FOR FAITH, THEY ARE CALLED THE ENDLESS ------ "AND A'S"
What step did it suggest you to get a sponsor? Or were you told by the promotion of the self proclaimed system right out of the gate?.
What A.A Tradition eludes to even getting a sponsor? or is the self proclaimed promoted propaganda? Tradition 12 states there is to be "no distinctions" amongst us it is simply one drunk talking to another any where any time.
WHERE IN THE BIG BOOK IS THE WORD SPONSOR OR SPONSORSHIP besides your personal concoction? The number one killer around A.A. is the outside sponsorship system and the recovery rate or one own eyes should be able to see that if one can just get out of the self proclaimed seat. we call them personalties that pry into other peoples lives.
as they pressure pushes another to do right the outside system justifiers, justify "their actions" and says if one fails, you didn't do it right
The truth is WHERE IN THE BIG BOOK IS THE WORD SPONSOR OR SPONSORSHIP that is so heavily promoted?
It and it's propaganda undermines the true fellowship and its spirit which GOD IS THE SUPPORT AND THE SERVICE, HE GAVE US A FELLOWSHIP don't turn it into your topical S.S. followship that starts off with conditions that was tried years ago . Question, true to what?
What does True to thy self mean to you?, the American way -for freedom is not doing what ever you want to do, it is doing what one has to do when they got to do it with Gods help they could and would if he was sought.
You don't have to ask the self proclaimed sponsor, "Just look to the Big book" as A.A keeps being divided by an outside system.
For it is far better to be an example than to try to look for one and that is being true to they self.
- Re: Better to Listen to the Big Book... alcoholic
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- Re: nope... not true... shadowalker164
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- Re: a.a needs your support -- no -- ... #50348
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This is a reply to # 953,067Wait -- I think it is, in part, true. I know and admire and love many Midtown folks but I think this has been a case of bad apples spoiling the bunch. It is a strong BB-based group for sure. But those groups tend to attract the wellest of the well but the opposite, too -- the sickest of the sick.
I would not be a recovered alcoholic if I could not see and admit that even in the strongest groups, there is room for ego to get out of whack. I think this is a case where there has been some truth and some exxageration, which is a dangerous combination. It only takes a few members with their own ideas to poison the reputation of any group and that's what has happened here. It's a case of these people not being anonymous in their own home group -- needing to be the Director and play God.
Don't for a second tell me that in an AA group desire for money, property, prestige, authority, and one's own way cannot occur! I would be the first to go to midtown in support of that group (as part of AA) the next time I am in DC...but I am not going to be blind to the fact that people can talk a good talk at the same time their basic instincts have been running amok.
Support the midtown group IMO, but not until you admit that in every news item and rumor there is a large chance that a seed of truth may be at the bottom of it all! Those folks need support in the wake of these presss stories since last spring, but they can restore their group's ability to be of service to all, rather than certain members' latching on to the group to further their own base interests. Those guys I hope will look at how they violated step 12 and most of the traditions by not maintaining spiritual fitness and clarity. That's up to them. In the meanwhile, I am grateful to count Midtown members among my friends and AA heroes and let God take care of the rest!
Spreading this stuff around several months later falls sqarely into the realm of "outside issues" and "public controversy." Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I really think the next right thing in this instance is not to suppress bad stuff, but jsut to support the vast amount of the Midtown membership in going about their business in terms of carrying the message, and to trust that their group conscience as guided by a loving authority has enabled them to take the steps necessary to address the sick fellows in the spirit of love, tolerance, and those Traditions.
- Re: A.A does not need Midtowns suppo... Alcoholic
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This is a reply to # 1,047,64950348 quoted
"Midtown membership in going about their business in terms of carrying the message"
"It is a strong BB-based group for sure"
A.A does not need Midtowns support or message the real message is in an uninterpreted version of the Big Book.
Sponsor or sponsorship is not even a word in the BB maybe strong based but not A.A.
Midtown message is about promoting the outside sponsors system nothing to do with A.A, the truth isn't something one has to make up when needed - It is simple something that has already happened. Take a closer look
The outside sponsorship system and it's followers message is loud and clear, do or die
thats "their" sick message.
Time to read the Big Books message and not inject words or fearful superstitions.
Just take the steps "fearlessly" and develop being true to thy self instead of sucking up to others through "fear" and having to work them with them as if the steps have to be administered by them.
A gift that is freely given yet many pay a price!!!!!!!!!! with their life.
- Re: A.A does not need Midtowns suppo... Alcoholic
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- nope... not true... drofinnah
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