Natural health "expert" DQ exposes himself to chemical toxins at News Forum, with image embedded, topic 942436

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Self styled natural health advocate, researcher and author exposes self to toxins

I live, by choice, in what I call a little unibomber trailer (a compact hunters trailer) high atop a hill in the rugged Texas Hill Country near Utopia, Texas. For me, it truly is "utopia" and I love the scenic beauty and solitude that enables me to concentrate on doing what I love - researching, writing and trying to help others live longer, healthier and happier lives.

Although I drown a few ants at night (ahem) and the living space is very crowded, it really is not so bad - my back, front and side yards are thousands of spectacular acres and there is a full size home next door which has been converted to an office and it is only about 30 paces or so away with all the conveniences of bath, shower, kitchen, etc.

Most of the time though, I spend inside the little trailer merrily typing away and surfing on the computer. Usually once a day or so I take a much needed break and hike around or up one of the hills or down to one of the natural springs. And once or twice a week I take off half a day or more to go to a nearby state park or river for a swim or more extended hike. Though dry, it is hot, and my breaks can be a bit sweaty and dirty too. One thing that is missing both here and next door are washing and drying facilities - and so that requires the occasional trip to Utopia to the one and only coin operated laundry. In between trips, the soiled clothes and odors from meals can become a bit stale.

I have long used a commercial product (gasp!) called Fabreeze to spray on the carpets, bedding and hanging clothes - and even to shoot a few mists into the air, and it has worked like a champ - although it is probably not a good idea and I did notice a bit of a sticky film building up on exposed CD cases and such.

A few weeks ago, I ran out of Fabreeze, and, thinking about the sticky film, I decided to switch to Oust, a product touted as a bacteria and odor elminator much like Lysol. And it appeared to work as well or better than Fabreeze. What the heck, I thought, I even started to mist the hanging clothes and bedding with it just like I did with Fabreeze. It looked like the sticky film problem was no better, but no worse either and so on I went, merrily writing articles and posting away.

Many of the articles I wrote and posts I made the past few weeks. much like a great many before that, have contained advice about the importance of eliminating toxins from the body and environment you live and work in. As I dispensed my wisdom, I was regularly spraying away with the Oust two or three times a day.

Then, a couple of weeks ago I noticed a kind of bumpy rash on my forearms - generally in the area that rests on the combination wooden table and computer desk where I sit for hours and hours each day. Hard small bumps that itched like crazy and would not go away. I sprayed some more and wrote some more and tried various remedies, lotions and ointments. No luck. The rash worsened.

Soon, as I sprayed and wrote and advised about toxins and dispensed sage advice throughout the internet, I began to worry what the cause could be. Which of the many supplements I am taking and advising others to take, or which combination, might be causing this problem? Was it something I was eating, I wondered, as I sprayed and typed. What was different? I tried everything, including my beloved oleander skin creme with tea tree oil and DMSO which was otherwise doing such a great job on all kinds of skin things.

STILL no luck - and the bumps were getting worse in leaps and bounds. And so I continued to spray, type and advise in an unrelenting cycle: spray, type, more treatments, more bumps. Arrrrghh! I even gave up ALL supplements for a few days and still no luck. The bumps were now appearing in numbers on the sides and bottoms of my fingers. The same fingers that touched the exposed keyboard and rested along with my arms and hands on the table.

One day, after a very long day and night before, I was still a bit groggy and it was still quite dim at 6 am when I woke up to go take a shower next door. I had neglected to do so for a couple of days and I thought if I was going to be clean and fresh, then I wanted to return to a clean and fresh smelling trailer. And so, in the dark and groggy I grabbed the trusty Oust with the outdoor scent and the green cap and pushed in for a good spray or two. But I did not notice that the green cap was turned the wrong way and so I sprayed mostly my hand, one shoulder and the left side of my forehead. YUCK! A quick spray or two and off to the shower I dashed.

The next day, after more typing and spraying and astute advice, I took another shower and noticed that my left shoulder was kinda itchy. Then I looked in the mirror and saw some bumps and also so some on my upper left forehead too. And the bumps on my right hand - my spraying hand, were many times worse, now on the tops, sides and bottoms. Oh man, I thought, I cannot stand the idea of going to a doctor, not ME! But nothing was working - whatever was I to do?

After I returned to my little spot that occupies most of my days and much of my nights, , the bumps were soon itching like crazy. I got up to return to the office next door for a good hand and arm washing with the wonderful colloidal silver and plant mineral soap they make here, and some vinegar and tea tree oil. On the way out the door, as usual, I reached for the Oust. And just then I had to scratch like crazy and while I was scratching I looked at the can of Oust. And looked back at my itching and bumpy hand. And then back at the Oust. And I thought about when I sprayed myself and where I sprayed myself.

Slowly it dawned on me - could it be the Oust? Surely not a product intended to be used indoors to kill bacteria. I put on my reading glasses and took a look at the label on the back of the can to check for possible warnings.

The first thing I saw, at the top in the bold blue print was:

Use Oust Air Sanitizer every day throughout your home to eliminate odors caused by airborne bacteria to leave your home smelling clean and fresh. Unlike air fresheners that only mask odors temporarily, Oust Air Sanitizer eliminates tough odors such as bathroom, pet odors and mildew odors.

Aha - see there! I knew it could not be the bacteria killing Oust! But I was itching like crazy and decided to read a bit further just to be sure.

DIRECTIONS FOR USE: It is a violation of the Federal law in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

Wow - a Federal violation! Is that was anything like taking the label off of a pillow or mattress, I wondered? Well, I would make sure to not do that if possible! And so on I read:

TO TEMPORARILY REDUCE AIRBORNE BACTERIA and eliminate odors in an average room (12' X 12" X 9') close all door, dows and air vents and spray product upward in center of room for 10 seconds. For maximum effectiveness relative humidity should be between 45% and 70%. Resume normal room ventilation after spray has settled.

Still sounding good to me - though I did not always close the room sized trailer and did not always spray that long. But, I figured that at max I might get only a misdemeanor and likely just get a warning if anyone found out that I had not used the product "in a manner inconsistent with its labeling."

Okay, that settles it - false alarm. This baby is safe, my hands and arms are killing me and it is time to go get the shower and . . but wait, wait a second - what is this:

PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENTS
HAZARDS TO HUMANS & DOMESTIC ANIMALS
Caution: Avoid Contact with food and food utensils. Avoid contact with eyes. Before using product throughout your home, use in one room and wait 24 hours to ensure that no one has any physical reactions to this product.

Physical reactions? Like maybe a rash that won't go away? Uh oh. Forgetting the shower and reading further, I find the label goes on to say:

Before spraying, remove birds. After use, ventilate normally prior to returning birds to treated areas.

I'm thinking at this point that if something is harmful for birds, it just might be harmful to me too. I have in fact, sagely and wisely advised that if something can kill a bug it will likely not be good for you either. And birds are bigger than most bugs.

The label went on to talk about proper disposal and how deliberate abuse could be harmful or fatal (great!), etc. But by now I had decided that maybe I better give the spraying a rest and do a bit of sanitizing. What a concept - sanitizing a sanitizer.

So I stopped spraying. And I got some towels, vinegar and distilled water with a bit of bleach and wiped down my table and keyboard and a few other areas. (Should I have used a commercial product? No, I think not.)

And so what happened next? Well, today, the bumps are noticeably less itchy and inflamed and a bit smaller too - but in places my skin is still the texture of a new Wilson football, or perhaps a dill pickle. I vote for the dill pickle, given the vinegar I am using on my skin and surfaces.

I also have absolutely no doubt as to the cause of the itchy bumps. And I don't even want to think about all of the product I inhaled or how much remains on most of the surfaces, my clothes, the bedding, the walls, carpet, curtains . . . .sigh.

OK. Yes. I know. I know. I mean I REALLY KNOW, OK? What am I supposed to do - claim that I didn't know any better?

I will now bend over while the rest of the forum puts on their steel toed boots.

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Aw, DQ!

Well... I don't think anyone needs to do any "kicking" around here, I think you've done enough to yourself.

Frankly, you can avoid the ENTIRE spritz, spraying and sticky film mess with a simple remedy for some extra bucks. Go to the health food store or go online and buy yourself an "aromatherapy" atomizer unit. There's a little one (very good) that plugs into the wall like a little night lite unit. With it comes some pads where you put a few drops of essential oils. You'll need to purchase some pure essential oils (separately or in a combo blend). These oils have been known to not only make the place smell nice for HOURS but the oils are beneficial to the body for healing purposes (I believe, there have been research studies on this). Hope that helps!

Best of Health!

DD

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- Re: Natural health "expert" DQ expos... Tony Isaacs 17 y 2,515
  
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  Thanks - but you see, I know that. And that make it all the more shame.
  
  The lessons in my story are two-fold I believe:
  
  1. It is far easier to stick your head in the sand and forsake what you know for what is easiest and most convenient
  
  and
  
  2. Even those of us who should know better still are not immune to trusting the common products that we have been brainwashed on a daily basis into believing are safe and trustworthy.
  
  If we aren't careful, we can spend too much time focusing on avoiding mainstream drugs and treatments while we are daily poisoning ourselves in our own houses and offices.
  
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sounds like you need a canary:) *tip* ~the males sing! :)

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- Re: Natural health "expert" DQ expos... Tony Isaacs 17 y 2,520
  
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  I didn't realize that the reasons you took the birds out of the room and then returned them was to make sure the level was below lethal!
  
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    No, Darlin', just leave them in, when they stop singing, time for you to vamoose!
    *canary in a coal mine*
    
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- Re: Give These a Try! Tony Isaacs 17 y 2,627
  
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  Thanks - are you connected with the company? Or just endorse them?
  
  This is o/t - but I will be looking to add several carefully selected products to my not-officially-launched-website for health, longevity and happiness for boomers and seniors soon.
  
  Not to mention add a number of regular contributors.
  
  Sorry for the self serving blurb - but I'm not selling, just looking for help, and there will be lots of free content there too.
  
  And I didn't even mention the name (htp:..www.tbyil.com)
  
  But that "little" project explains about 10 of the daily 16 plus hour days lately . . . .
  
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    Hi DQ,
    
    Nope, no connection with either company...just really like their products. I came across the Cedar Mountain Mist when I was in New Mexico. I road horseback through a bunch of cedar brush and it smells just like it... not the horse, the cedar! It's the essential oil from the cedar brush and you mix it with water so you can adjust how strong the smell is. It has a really nice, clean scent and I've even misted meself after a shower...with NO reactions. But it is a little hard to find. Believe it or not, the Container Store used to carry it by their cedar blocks...but I don't think they do anymore.
    
    The Fresh Wave is a mixture of essential oils...none of them are overpowering, and after the 'pretty' smell dissipates, it's just a neutral smell. A lot of smoke shops are carrying it and Whole Foods just started, too. They have several forms...spray, candle, little beads to put in drawers or a vacuum cleaner.
    
    Keep me informed about the website...I might be able to help you out. I went through a bad bout of chemical sensitivities years back and I know about plenty of products.
    
    Time for zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs!
    
    PTree :)
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it's funny you should mention oust. i was looking for ozium and all they had was oust. i read the back and decided it was awful and i didn't buy it. you didn't list the ingredients. look at the bottom of this:

Brand Name:	Oust Air Sanitizer, Citrus Scent
Form:	aerosol
Product Category:	Home inside >> Air Freshener >> spray
Customer Service No.:	800-725-6737
Date Entered:	2003-11-11
Related Items:	Products with similar usage in this database

Manufacturer

Manufacturer:	SC Johnson, Inc.
Address:	1525 Howe Street
City:	Racine
State:	WI
Zip Code:	53403
Telephone Number:	262-260-2000
Fax Number:	262-260-6004
Toll Free Number:	800-558-5252
Date Info Verified:	2007-02-07
Related Items:	Products by this manufacturer

Health Effects

The following information (Health Effects, Handling/Disposal, and Ingredients) is taken from the product label and/or the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) prepared by the manufacturer. The National Library of Medicine does not evaluate information from the product label or the Material Safety Data Sheet.

Warning from Product Label:	Caution: Avoid contact with food and food utensils. Avoid contact with eyes. Before using product throughout your home, use in one room and wait 24 hours to ensure that no one has any physical reactions to the product. Asthma and Allergy Sufferers: Consult your physician before using this product in your home. Statement of Practical Treatment: If sprayed into eyes immediately flush with water. Get medical attention if irritation persists.
Acute Health Effects:	From MSDS: Health Hazards Identification Route(s) of Entry Eye Contact Effects of Acute Exposure: Eye May cause: Moderate eye irritation. Skin None known. Inhalation May cause: irritation to nose, throat and respirator tract. Ingestion May cause: Abdominal discomfort. Medical Conditions Individuals with chronic respiratory disorders Generally Recognized such as asthma, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, As Being Aggravated etc., may be more susceptible to irritating By Exposure effects.
Chronic Health Effects:	MSDS: No information provided.
Carcinogenicity:	MSDS: None
First Aid:	FIRST AID Eye Contact - Flush immediately with plenty of water for at least 15 to 20 minutes. If irritation persists, get medical attention. Skin Contact - No special requirements. Inhalation - If breathing is affected, get medical attention. Remove to fresh air. Ingestion - Immediately drink 1-2 glasses of water or milk. See immediate medical attention.
Health Rating:	2
Flammability Rating:	4
Reactivity Rating:	0
HMIS Rating Scale:	0 = Minimal; 1 = Slight; 2 = Moderate; 3 = Serious; 4 = Severe; N = No information provided by manufacturer; * = Chronic Health Hazard
MSDS Date:	2002-01-31

Handling/Disposal

Handling:

MSDS:
Precautionary Information WARNING: Do not store at temperatures above
120 degree F (50degreeC).
CONTENTS UNDER PRESSURE. Avoid contact
with eyes. Keep out of reach of children.
Avoid contact with fool or drink.
Other Handling and Do not pressurize, cut, heat, weld or expose
Storage Conditions container to flame; explosion could occur.
Wash thoroughly after handling. Keep from
freezing. Keep out of reach of children.

Disposal:

MSDS:
Waste Disposal Information If possible, recycle empty aerosol can to
nearest steel recycling center. Use up package
or give to someone who can.

Ingredients from MSDS/Label

Chemical	CAS No / Unique ID	Percent
Triethylene glycol	000112-27-6	6
Petroleum gases, liquefied, sweetened	068476-86-8	25-35
Inert ingredients (unspecified)	999999-00-2	60-70

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this is handy, but it seems most everything in the stores are of nasty chemicals:

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If anyone ever needs an air freshener please look at the following link for all natural wonderful smelling pure air mists and the like. They naturally disinfect the air with essential oils.

http://www.miarose.com/

I use them daily - and I cannot stand any kind of odor neutralizers (I still find they add odour to the air) and other chemical odours. But with the above mentioned, I tolerate it very well and love the scent.

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Here is possibly a better product:

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  Thanks.
  
  I never reported how bad the rash became. I ended up having it from head to toe, and NO place was off limits. I will say no more other than it was a good illustration of how sometime a mainstream product or procedure can provide relief or buy time when you don't have time to find, order or get an alternative that worked. What appeared to work for me was a topical cream with cortisone.
  
  O/T - As you suggested, I removed the thread about "fraud" and Eyeball from my forum.
  
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