Clinical Studies/Research 
monti1234
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MoreCan anyone point me in the direction of clinical data on liver flushes, kidney, bowel, etc flushes? It's hard to defend these alternative health practices without any data I can point to. I specifically am looking for gallstone flushes in a controlled study.
For the record I have not done a Liver Flush personally yet but plan on it soon. But I'm an Rn in a major hospital where we constantly remove gallbladders, and would like to support this flush with some backup research.- Re: Clinical Studies/Research jessesmom1987
17 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 934,982This is the first thing I have written for this forum, but I can tell you first hand how frustrating it is that Medical Dr's refuse to believe that Liver Flushes are successful. I just got back from a 2 day, overnight trip to an appt with a medical Dr. at a University hospital- 5 hours from where I live- the main reason for the appt was because of testing chronic/reactive for Epstein Barr, but the concern was for the continued, elevated liver enzymes. After telling the Dr. about the one inch, by one inch gall stone that I had flushed out of the liver (I had gall bladder surgery a year ago), and all the other stones that were flushed out, I was only met with absolute skepticism, and told there was no way that could have ever gotten through the bile duct- and that it couldn't have been from the liver...and I was actually told that if I didn't feel better in 4 months, to come back and they would put me on an anti-depressant! When I told them that it's not just the liver I feel congestion in, but also the pancreas, and asked about gall stones being in the liver, plugging things up, they told me that because I'd already had an abdominal MRI a year and 1/2 ago, before the gall bladder surgery, that they thought it would be a waste of my time. Basically, they told me it was all in my head.
I came home, and just did a liver cleanse last night...and collected the gall stones in a sandwich bag that I put in the freezer, along with the 1" one from the last flush. I must have alot of green marbles "in my head" that sure got flushed out with the apple juice/olive oil/lemon/ Epsom Salt flush. I've continued all day today to have bowel movements with gall stones.
If you are an RN...do the cleanse yourself and believe what you see. You'll never convince a medical Dr. with any kind of study.
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- Re: Clinical Studies/Research monti1234
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This is a reply to # 935,200I am so sorry that you were treated like that!! And I can also say that there was probably someone in that clinal setting who would have known what you were talking about, but couldn't have supported you anyway, or could have lost there job/been ridiculed just like you.
People should be able to be honest with their doctors and tell them what's going on without the threat of psychiatric meds,etc. And RN's like me should be able to advocate and stick up for their patients without being threatened for "practicing outside of our legally designated duties".
Doctors pay outrageous prices for insurance, because someone can always sue them because they make the decisions, call the shots, etc. Well, if clinical evidence supports their decisions, they can more easily prescribe those therapies and be covered by their insurance. But hardly any clinical evidence exists for natural therapies, so even the doctor is limited. One sue-happy patient can take em to the cleaners and lose the license without that research in place. I'm rambling now and a little angry. Im sorry for what happened to you, we need more support out there,
and my dying cancer patients need more choices too. There's a cancer info desk in my hospital that will gladly search out clinical data for the patients looking for alternative ways to treat their cancer and guess what, hardly any exists so they go and get pumped full of more chemicals and just see what happens. it sucks and the research needs to be done before things will change. The doc(s) will follow suit only then. They're not all evil, most are just followers.
- Re: Clinical Studies/Research monti1234
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- Re: Clinical Studies/Research Telman
17 y
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This is a reply to # 934,982There aren't any controlled trials as far as I know, that's why its an 'alternative' therapy. A similar system is used in Chinese hospitals and some co-ordinating research is carried out at the Institute for Traditional Medicine, Portland, Oregon.
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/gallstones.htm
If it isn't too personal a question, what are you reasons to flush? - Re: Clinical Studies/Research plzchuckle
17 y
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This is a reply to # 934,982
Gallbladder surgery is the #1 operation being performed in America today ... we're talking big bucks being made here. Nobody, I mean NOBODY, in the allopathic world is looking for an alternative to cutting out those big $$$ !!!
I'm not funding research, I'm just self-experimenting, as are the rest of us.
Want to do your own? Go thru the post here and make your own research paper ... even this is going to be difficult, so many get better and we never hear from them again.
- Re: Clinical Studies/Research plzchuckle
17 y
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This is a reply to # 934,982
...... and another thing.....
Why do you feel a need to defend what you've chosen to do? Take your health issues into your own hands. You're not going to have a flashing sign on your forehead reading "Liver Flusher." They won't know if you don't tell 'em.
- Re: Clinical Studies/Research monti1234
17 y
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This is a reply to # 935,537I agree with all of you, and i have already decided to do this flush, I just received my Clarkia in the mail and bought a zapper a few months ago, to prep myself(already did bowel cleansing too). Its just so frustrating that most of the population won't ever do this because of the medical community's opinon(s).
I want to help people, part of being a nurse is educating patients, and being a patient advocate, but I can't do it truthfully without risking my livelihood.
And it makes no sense that this is so obvious, the results I mean, in the toilet stones stareing back at you, and yet there is no data!! It's like the pink elephant in the room that no one can see!!! We are all individuals passing on information and this should be mainstream. I do know that the National Institute of Health has been awarding grants for research in alternative medicine! Why is no one doing anything, the doctors that would qualify for those monies have been brain-washed to thinking this is all "quack" medicine, it makes me so angry and the people in our country are dying off like crazy.
I feel like I'm gonna have to go back to school to get my nurse practitioner's license so I can do this NIH research and "prescribe" alternative therapies to actually help on a wide scale.- Re: Clinical Studies/Research plzchuckle
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This is a reply to # 944,208
Monti, studying international conspiracy theories make your questions as plain to me as the nose on my face.
Kevin Trudeau states it simply: It's all about the money.
Who funds medical research?? Pharmaceutical companies.
NOW...
Considering that, why would THEY/Big Pharma, want to prove that you can be healthier by spending less than $5 a month liver flushing? They'd prefer that your medical insurance pay $150 a month on a Rx that treats your symptoms. Capice?
The only thing that you and I can do is get as healthy as we can. Get it to the point that others actually SEE our improvement and ask "what's up with you?" Tell folks, one person at a time and share out experiences in places like this so others can read that IT WORKS.
People go into the medical profession to help people. They only thing they have to work with is what they are told. Then they are governed by laws of acceptable protocol. Medical folks aren't the evil here ... it's those that are in control.
- Re: Clinical Studies/Research plzchuckle
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- Re: Clinical Studies/Research monti1234
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- Re: Clinical Studies/Research jessesmom1987
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