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I'm just wondering: if everyone has these liver stones , why do they not show up during autopsy? Maybe they do, but if that were the case, would the medical profession not admit their existance?
I'm also wondering if we vegans would not have them since we eat nothing with cholesterol. I realize that the body creates cholesterol whether or not one eats it, but it must cut down considerably.
Does anyone know or have any ideas?
- A very good point em
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MoreThis is a reply to # 93,253"if everyone has these liver stones , why do they not show up during autopsy?"
The same applies to the supposed flukes that cause cancer. If you are to believe either, you have to accept that every single person in mainstream medicine, including researchers and pathologists, are either deliberately deceiving or totally incompetent.
I expect I'll get another smack for saying this! :D- Re: A very good point vegandcn
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Well, I sure hope you don't get smacked! I'm new to this forum and tend to stay away from these things just because of that type of thing, but hopefully no one will smack you for bringing up legitimate questions.
I've been involved with alternative treatments for more than 3 decades-- long before it became popular-- and I have noticed that within about the past 5 years that people aren't asking the hard questions. Sometimes we so desperately want healing that we simply follow. I am not saying that is what is going on here-- I do not know-- but I do know it goes on elsewhere.
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- Agree completely em
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This is a reply to # 93,257I'm in trouble here though (except with Shelley) because (a) I question and (b) I believe that a marriage of mainstream and alternative medicines is essential for the well being of all.
The slogan of this site is "Educating not Medicating", but - where I live (France) many of the remedies cited here as "alternatives to medication" are prescribed by doctors and paid for by the national health service.
To me this clearly shows the need for cooperation between mainstream and natural practioners. Otherwise you end up with the ludicrous situation whereby aloe vera, gingko bilboa etc etc are either viewed as BAD BAD BAD because a "real" doctor prescribed them, or GOOD GOOD GOOD because an ND said "take them".
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This is a reply to # 93,258Em, is there any way of getting in contact with you off of this board? I'd be very interested in your research.
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This is a reply to # 93,308When I signed up I didn't opt for the e-mail link. I'll find out how I can change that.
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This is a reply to # 93,311Is it possible to put our addresses on a post and then immediately after take them back off?
- Seems to work now em
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This is a reply to # 93,312Should be safe against getting even more spam with the addys in a database rather than exposed in posts.
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- Not everyone gets their liver autops... MidlothianGirl
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
I don't believe that anyone says that EVERYONE has a significant amount of these stones, but that many people DO have SOME stones to SOME degree. Many people probably do not have an amount of stones that would cause gallbladder attacks, just as I didn't. I had over 1,000 though, some calcified, some the size of whole walnut shells. They didn't cause gallbladder attacks, just acne, severe chemical allergies, and multiple schlerosis symptoms, a serious eye condition called irisitis, none of which I have now since I've flushed them out.
The dermatologists wanted me to go on Accutane for my acne, never even having a clue that the problem with my skin existed in my liver and lower bowel. That's just dermatology skin/101. DUH. Can we really talk about incompetence?
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This is a reply to # 93,253There is a picture on this website that shows a liver that has been opened after someone died and it shows the stones.
I can't look right now because I have a couple of shirts to iron, but if I do have time tonight, I will be glad to see if I can find it.
Good Question!
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This is a reply to # 93,263I think we have to be careful not to pigeon-hole all allopathic physicians or all alternative physicians. I've had excellent and horrible experiences with both.
It comes down to the fact that we all need to take ownership of our health and that includes questioning everything that is related to it.
I tend to have difficulty in believing that anything, any type of treatment, is good for every single person. That works both ways in that it is also impossible to "prove" or "disprove" an alternative treatment because when you are dealing with the human animal, we are all so very different. We bring not only a large assortment of genes to the problem but also vastly different experiences.
This Liver Flush could very well be a miracle cure and if this is the case, I welcome it! I'm just wondering why these stones are not in the medical literature. Even though not everyone has their livers looked at, I believe that when autopsy is performed (which happens in all sudden deaths and many if not most of others), it is protocol to check through all organs, including the liver. This is my question; if these stones are in most or all of people with chronic health concerns, why haven't these shown up in the literature? Or maybe they have.... Perhaps the photo mentioned is very real, but it's hard to believe any image these days with Photoshop becoming so common.Advertisement
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vegandcn,
Speculations, hypotesis & skepticism will not help to find the answer? Will it?
What is the point in speculating, or asking a question that you know is without the answer?
What is the point in being skeptical when you are 24 hours away from the answer that will satisfy your and my skepticism?
Why don't you find the answer yourself? Is that so hard?
There is a simple & cheap way to satisfy your skepticism:
1. Next time you do a liver flush, add an extra ingredient: some harmless organic food coloring of a kind that is not affected by digestion. Boiled red beet juice is just that.
It comes out red, exactly the same color that comes in.
You can also add red pepper powder into oil, cause juice doesn't blend with oil easily. So, now you have 2 different colorings!
Then when the "stone"-like objects come out, if they are truly from the liver/gallbladder, cutting them open with a knife should reveal that the stones have green/yellow/white/brown/blue or black interiors but are stained on the outside with red. If they are red inside, (but are not soft like feces), chances are high that they were formed in the intestine during flush. You will know if stones are from your liver or not.
Beware that some Gallstones can also be of red color! There are no strict rules on the natural color of gallstones, and while green/yellow/blue (and black/white & brown) are most common, other colors are not excluded.
BUT, chances to get a red stone are really poor (one in a 10,000).
One more idea:
2. Now, take those stones and analyze them for presence of cholesterol.
If it contains cholesterol, it most likely is from your liver/gallbladder.
Then, come back here and discuss your results, without speculatins.
Spirit
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This is a reply to # 93,268I'm not too sure which question you think I was asking, but I was wondering why these don't show up in autopsy (or perhaps if they do, yet curiously do not make it into the medical literature). I don't think I can answer that question with your technique. If you were instead talking about the vegan question, that also cannot be answered in that manner as it would involve different data.
As well, there is nothing wrong with intelligent skepticism; in fact it is how we pay attention to our inner voice. Skepticism in and of itself might not answer questions but it is a healthy and reasonable response to intuition. And one thing that I've learned over the course of my life, is to trust my intuition.
Is one not supposed to use these forums if one questions parts of the content? Surely not....
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You two just don't get it " Support Forum" that means that the people here are already using these treatments and they come here for guidance and incouragement to make it through these processes! If the naysayer skeptic in you and your inner voice tells you something then why don't you research it instead of cluttering up the Support Forums with you inner voice! There are also other forums where you could pose these questions ! And if you took the time to read all the input here at curezone you will realize the you are not the first ones to question these procedures and over and over they ask to be appeased, it gets really old! If you have proof that these cleanses don't work lets hear it! Otherwise do your own research or pose your questions on the appropriate forums!
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