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I have been detoxing for a long time, off and on, with various products. I recently did the L/GB flush and cleanse from Dr. Shulze. I didn't have pains, stones, or specific issues, except for toxicity issues. I stopped increasing the amount of garlic and olive oil after the third day, and maybe only did the cleanse for four days, because I am rather delicate. I used all the herbs and the broth. I felt good afterwards. My eyes became more blue. I got a lot of Acne under my jaw/chin.
Then about a week later, at most, I started gaining much water (belly, thighs, face). Probably two or three pants sizes. Then the next week, I had problem urinating, no urge (even when drinking liquids), no thirst, and was consitpated. Yet kept gaining water. There was soreness in the mid back, and some sharp pains under my rib cage on the right front side, under the breast and above the navel. My skin color became more orange. I had some tea left over and that helped with the water gain and lack of urge to urinate.
Please let me know if this is common, symptoms of the cleanse, or if it is alarming? What do these symptoms indicate? Should I just keep doing the cleanse until the symptoms subside? Should I do them back to back, or take a break between? How many more cleanses should I do? Should I do the kidney cleanse instead? Any other information would be helpful. Thanks in advance.- Re: L/GB then edema and other sympto... Tigger21
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Hi Not sure if you had any replies. I have done several cleanses too with Schulzes stuff. Pain under rib on right side says liver, skin going orange pionts to liver problems. gaining a lot of fliud weight can be kidney problems.You could have more seriuos problems but I expect that your system cleaned out some things but not everything. Have you looked at the 30day incurables program? Read Schulzes newsletters? he explains about skin going orange in the liver newsletter. it was a few years back but I think you can read it on line now. Your livers ability to regenerate blood cells is explained in that newsletter. Not sure what you have eaten, but do you have a vegan organic diet?- Re: L/GB then edema and other sympto... #83957
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This is a reply to # 930,042Thanks for the reply and information. I suspect that I still need to do some detox, and will try the l/gb detox again and see if that helps, but may not be as intensive as before.
I read most of the newsletters again. I saw one from 5/05 that talked about the pain in the rib cage, like you said. I didn't see the one with orange skin. Is it jaundice? I thought jaundice was yellow and the first sign was yellow whites-of-the-eyes.
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This is a reply to # 930,283I read both yor messages and not sure what else you are reading but if if someone says they have done a flush that could be a short 24 hr one or a 3 week one (and who knows what they were using in terms of products??) there is an incredible amount of rubbish in the health shops as well as trying to find the good stuff. I think you could have dislodged toxins that were there but the art of flushing just bought it to the surface. skin going orange is aobut the livers ability to re gerate the red blood cells,-- in tests they look for the "bilirubin levels". there is /was a schulze newsletter about 3 years that that went over all the liver flushing in great detail (2002 ish) I think if you had jaundice you would be extremely tired, and you dont sound that. I suspect the pain was the gall bladder pumping out the bile. this is quite common and lobelia is the anti spasm herb for any pain like that. Schlzes has talked about that several times. You can use a hot water bottle for the rib cage area to lessen the pain and lay on your side. Consider doing the detox at slower rate maybe? but for longer perhaps? not skipping any bits but keep the dosage a bit lower maybe your answer. Good luck TiggsAdvertisement
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MoreThis is a reply to # 930,356okay, I found this link for adult jaundice that discusses the biology that you mention.
http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc9012.htm
The newsletters online at Dr. S only go back to 2004.
thanks for taking the time to read my posts and offer thoughtful responses.
I was pretty scared for a while, but I just don't think one gets cirrhosis over night! I went to my acup. twice and that allievated almost all the symptoms--that is what makes me want to do the l/gb one more time to see how that works (I know there are more toxins to remove because I had several break outs under my jawline, which always breaks out with strong liver cleanses.) I will do it more gently this time. I just got the impression from reading about this cleanse that Dr. S doesn't believe that it should be altered for anyone, but I think that I may be a special case, needing more gentleness.
Those other flushes that I read about some people drink 1/2 to 2 cups of oil at a time. It seems dangerous, but I guess they live. But even Dr. S. protocol is done by some people several dozen times, maybe they count each day, or don't do the herbs , too. Is that really necessary to do this so many times? I hope that I feel detoxed before that level of activity. :)- Re: L/GB then edema and other sympto... Tigger21
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This is a reply to # 930,436Hi I read that linkbut, Dr S. had stated that if the bilirubin levels got high then it produced an orange tinge to the skin.not that fact that you may have jaundice at all. Dr S. newsletter explains the whole process more so.( I think you can get the newsletters in the form of a book ) I got the 2001 book, I remeber bits of that newsletter was so good at educating you about about the liver processes. If poeple are drinking so much oil at a time its not dangerous just that you would spending a lot of time in the loo. I have a friend in LA that has done 2 30 incurable programs and she is not ill at all. IT was a good way to lose the weight but also to feel better inside. she said felt so toxic from previous job. All that oil makes the gall bladder work harder but without the ginger it does not help the liver to self cleanse properly. Dr.S knows that not everyone does the same level of doseage he just cant advise thats all. The newsletters are incredible source of eduaction. the 2002 would be the best year to get the book if he stil does them. (might have to call about it?)Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 931,497Okay, I got that book with my order. I actually realized that I already read it the last time but didn't remember that part that you mentioned. He says that the high levels of bilirubin is jaundice. That big-belly pic is in there, too. Thanks for reminding me to read this book. (He also does address the point in there that his protocol is not etched in stone, as you said.) I do notice that taking the l/gb addresses the bilirubin build up.
Still it is a concern that this is happening now since the first 5 day liver cleanse. I don't want to take this tonic long-term.
I did decide to do the flush drink as well again this time. I noticed that each day that I do drink the flush drink my eyes become bluer. I skipped one day and there was no difference in the eyes. Then did it again today, and the eyes were bluer. So it seems that the flush must get the toxins dislodged and the l/gb tonic functions to increase the down the bilirubin and it also stops the little pains in the back that I have been having since the first flush.
What specifically are those aches? Is it just the liver/gb over working after the flush so it is achy (like when adrenals are overworked)? Or is it a blockage? How would one distinguish?
Finally, what if after this second flush, my body jaundices again once I quit taking the l/gb tonic? What would that indicate?
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This is a reply to # 936,898What specifically are those aches?-- not sure where in the back you mean. If this is in the lower lungs at the back area could be kidneys. Look at a chart and hopefully you will see what I mean.If you increase the liver function then this will also put a strain on the kidneys as they have to filter what ever the liver puts back in the blood, rightly or wrongly. I think if there is any significant blockage then you would have a LOT of pain (like a kidney stone or something? ) I am getting the picture that it maybe wise to do some kidney flushing as well? I read somewhere in the 5 day all over cleanse that if you liver in the morning then you use the kidney tea etc,, in the afternoon. You may find that you need to be a near the loo - I know if does make you pee a lot - for me it did. IF you did get a jaundicing again then it sounds like the rest of your system needs help. Read about the full 5 day cleanse think that gives you a good idea about doing the whole body thing. hope this helps. TiggsAdvertisement
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This is a reply to # 937,565hi. thanks again for your message. I just ordered the kidney detox a few days ago. In the meantime, today i started jucing whole watermelon. I think the first l/gb cleanse caused kidney hardship galore. the detox tea helps, but not a perm solution. your explaination helps me understand. i just got photos back from the first and second week after my first l/gb detox and i had so much edema--all the way yp to my head!
as i said before, i am doing the second round of the l/gb cleanse, and i am not beaking out under my chin/jaw like before, but i am going much slower. i do notice more brain fog and this morning my bodyt was sore and stiff. that happens when i get exposed to chemicals, and i spilled gasoline on my hands yestwerday; but it could be herxheimers. we'll see how it progresses. i will do the kidney cleanse as soon as i get it, then finish the l/gb. just seems like the right thing to do.
i may need to alternate the two for a coulple of times.
oh, although i am not experiencing breakouts on my face or jaw, there are a few tiny ones on my chest. does l/gb cleanse the lungs? meaning does the liver effect the lungs, or would one need to rely on fresh air and exercise? i guess blood circulates there, too. maybe it is the detox formula to thank.
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This is a reply to # 937,701I found a great diagram and I see how an obstruction from the liver or the gall bladder could block the the pancreatic duct, trapping digestive juices inside the pancreas. This could explain how after the cleanses my body is suddenly unable to break down sweet beverages.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/pancreatitis/article_em.htm
So the answer is to keep doing the cleanses. (I answered my own question.)
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This is a reply to # 938,019Hi Just read your 2 last messages. The swelling you got could have been just too much for the kidneys to cope with. In the 5 day cleanse of schulze's you use the liver detox stuff in the morning and then in the afternoon do the Kidney/bladder cleanse. (think it is on his site)Piont is not to overlaod the kidneys with more filtering without helping htem - think that is why you got the swelling first time around. Sugar is bad for kidneys as ice cold drinks are as well. This is lot to learn at once. I have found using some parsley tincture is stopping any swelling I get if I sit for too long at the computer. Brain fog -- that is solved using a brain formula with goto cola, etherdra,cola nut extract, ginsing, and gingo biloba in it.( cant spell) If you have a hot drink it use about 1/3 of dropperful it helps in about 30 min afterwards.Schulxe does one brain formula so strong - you use very little of it. Answer is to do many cleanses Slowly, but how you do them to get best effect is real important bit.((Swelling up can be a bad sign as this can mean the kidneys are under too much pressure and not able to cope)) Schulze's detox formula is VERY strong stuff. When you say sweet beverages - is this with refined sugar in it? Hope this helps Tiggs
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This is a reply to # 938,151Sweet juices, mostly--watermelon juice last night, a bit of chocolate after the first one 5-day l/gb cleanse. It is like the Sugar just passes through without breaking down after/during the cleanses. Like I said, my acupuncturist cured that issue after the last cleanse, but I noticed it after the Watermelon last night. Today, it's not been a problem, though. I think there was a block in the common duct. I didn't understand the biology about how that could effect the pancreas, but now I do.
Thanks so much for participating in this dicussion. It really has been helpful. I noticed that many problem posts go unanswered. The next person coming along is going to really benefit from all my issues -- and your input. ;)
I agree that following the protocol in strict measure was stupid of me to do and was too much for my body. I know that I need to do a fraction of any cleanse, at least at this stage, though I have greatly improved. (There was a time that I would have to take 1/16 of a dosage of a recomended cleanse--like if the recommendation was two scoops, I would have to take 1/8 of one scoop and it was pleanty!) Anyway, the breakouts were also a clear indication of going too strong the first time.
So I hope doing a kidney cleanse and going slower on both will prevent edema and the other issues from coming back when I stop taking the tinctures.
So, about the brain formula: does it detox? Is it designed to break down toxins or just bring more oxygen to the brain to improve circulation and waste removal? You found that it really works? How have you taken it? Did you do a whole bottle or more bottles, or only take as needed? I am curious.
Also a question about Watermelon for the kidneys, if you have experience. Does it just increase flow or is there certain elements to the fruit that help detox? (I am waiting for Shultze's products and using Watermelon in the meantime.)
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This is a reply to # 938,265Just to answer my own question, I found some information on other liver cleanse sites that recommends 6 to 10 Liver Cleanses for chemical toxicity/mcs. These were the one-day cleanses, spaced two weeks apart, so I am not sure if that might mean two 5-day l/gb protocols ( Dr. Schulze ). - Re: diagram of common ducts Tigger21
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This is a reply to # 938,265Hi I just realised I am sure if you have read about the foundational cleanse of Schulze? this might have been a better route to take as this will prepare your elimination system for more heavy detoxing. ((Cant remeber now if you know this stuff have not looked at your other emails at the time of emailing this one.)) Brain formual is designed to; 1. stimulate the circulation, 2. there by givng the body better chance to remove any waste build up, 3. this can only be suported by a good elimination system. I would not be without mine - but I dont need to use so much these days but if I stray much from a good diet then I am hunting it down in the cupboards.Brain formulas are VERY STRONG. they need to be used with care (especially shulzes ) they can keep your mind ticking over for days. Some people can sleep ok regardless of the dosage, I could not. I started with about 5 drops. Watermelon does not have a strong effect on the kidneys by its self.. Schulzes stuff WILL BE DYNAMITE in comparison. he does have a special tea mixture you can make with Citric fruits and cider vinegar. think it is on his site. you have to get thru the mixture in 2 days. ((You WIL be peeing like a horse but at the end of it you will experience some benefit.)) Good luck Tiggs
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No Kidding! Dynamite, indeed! Wow. The kidney tincture is amazing! I started taking it yesterday, and it already started improving the back aches. I started the whole protocol today.
Wow. Honestly, I feel it working in parts of my body, like the muscle under my chin/jaw. I mentioned that after the first liver protocol I had major breakouts there. The second liver round helped clear that up, because I was going more slowly. But when I take the kidney tincture, I feel a tingling there, a quickening rather. That muscle has firmed up. It feels normal. Also other parts of my body are buzzing. It feels like it is detoxing there.
Eyes are a bit lighter, again. Also, shinier. I have been having weird sensations in my head. I am not sure what is going on there, but maybe it is a detox situation.
I don't feel a big change in the edema situation, yet. I hope that evens out soon--not just because I am drinking the tea, but as in my body regulating better.
Could it be possible that a person gets hayfever from the tea? Gosh, it is allergy season here, too. It is so hard to separate all this out as detoxing feels like allergies or flu sometimes.
Finally, I felt like I may have gotten the chills about 30 to 60 minutes after drinking the cayenne. Is that a common reaction to the cayenne, or is it a detox response?
I am so glad you encouraged the kidney tinctures. I would have to say, in my experience, if someone is going to do the liver cleanse, they should be ready to immediately follow with the kidney cleanse, as well.
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This is a reply to # 941,056Hi Did I say anything to you about Parsely Tincture ?( ot tea). That does help with edema I read alot about that in a newsletter I got a while back. IF you feel ike the flu,colds or hayfever, then this maybe the "feeling worse before you feel better" cycle. that does happen a lot. Getting chills - I had that too not really anything to worry about. The action of cayenne is to push the blood around the system and make the immune system work better indirectly in the end. Keep going you sound like you are doing great. Tiggs
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This is a reply to # 941,056Well, you see above that the kidney tincture and tea had a big effect addressing the side effects that I was experiencing since the first liver cleanse, but that there were new side effects from the kidney program, like hayfever symptoms after consuming the tea and painful pressure, aches and other sensations in my head.
I had a break through last night. I write it here for others' benefit. (It is the type of thing that I would want to know before I underwent a cleanse, but sorry in advance for any minute details. Like I said, I find that sort of information helpful.)
Yesterday, I woke up feeling poorly--toxic, really. I decided that I wasn't going to do the kidney or Liver Flushes but that I was going to eat normally--I was starving for solid food. I ended up eating a couple of normal meals, but also drinking the teas with the tinctures. (I had made a mistake with the teas and ended up blending both the kidney and the liver detox teas. So I took both tinctures, too.) I didn't do anything else in the program. I focused on extra minerals, too, liquid, and eating Sea Salt today. I ate barbarcoa for lunch. I didn't feel well all day, and I just took it easy, staying on the couch all day. I also had a bit of an issue digesting, belching (I just realized now that this may be from the liquid minerals, if it is not another weird detoxing symptom.) I have never had digestive problems, except for some issues since the first liver cleanse.
Then, in the evening, I took a bath with baking soda. I also took about 15 drops of Natural Cellular Defense for additional detoxing. Around that time, before or after, I started feeling very irritable. I have been having bad hayfever whenever I drink the kidney tea, so it was that sort of irritation. When your body is an annoyance that demands all your focus, and then there was a sort of burning energy. So, I started doing some exercises. My body had some chills, and it broke a bit like with a fever. There were odd sensations in various parts of my body, like my head and torso, like muscles or toxins were shifting. It felt like it was uncomfortable and annoying, but good in a way.
I went for a walk/jog and belched (embarassing). I didn't have hayfever with the last round of tea last night. I also didn't have hayfever with the tea this morning. I had a bit of an itch and a sneeze either from the superfood smoothie or my shower this morning. My head feels better in places. Some edema subsided.
I am amazed that the hayfever symptoms went away. They were very severe after drinking the kidney tea. It took about 3 days for that symptoms to break. Also the urge to be active was a great sign. It has been torture forcing myself to go on walks since after the first liver cleanse.
So, I know I still need to continue on with the cleanses, liver and kidney--not all at once, I think I will take a break after this kidney cleanse is done, but I feel like a big portion was eliminated from my body. I also know the NCD helps me, due to the poisoning that I suffered. Of course, the foundation #2 is a part. I also am making sure to get plenty of minerals. I add liquid minerals to the smoothie.
I will spend a few weeks building my body back up after this cleanse is over, with liquid minerals and fresh veggie juices, and superfood.
Still on the books: more detox going forward and improvment of chemical intolerances; Improvment of energy level and clearing brain functions; rebalance of problems that started with the first liver cleanse, digestion and sugar, jaundice, and edema.Advertisement
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MoreThis is a reply to # 943,089Interesting read. I had to look up barbarcoa never heard of it. Sounds like you went thru some healing crisis (or feeling worse before you feel better) but ding the exercise was a good thing as you must have shifted a lot of toxins then know how that feels. (I also would go to a sauna for a big "Sweat to speed things up a bit"). Not suprisng that you belched a lot as your liver has been in detox mode and has to switch. I also found it can take 2-3 days for your body to adjust to eating 3 meals a day. Just read more about raw diets from Dr cousens( tree of life) he has a lot of info. but hard to listen to all of it at once. Getting tolerant to chemical smells again takes a VERY long time. things do get better very slowly even if it is hundreds of cleanses, it is worth the time and effort. I still cant stand clorine though. Good for you #83957
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This is a reply to # 943,106Oh, you have chemical sensitivites? I would like to hear more, if you would like to let me know. Was your situation severe? How long were you having problems and how long have you cleansed? For me the big ones are chlorine in tap water, as well, ink, parabens and other petroleum-based substances, smoke, all kinds, and formaldehydes.
That's a good idea--the sauna. I think that bath must have had an impact.
I wish I would have stared the liver/kidney cleanses a year or two ago when I started taking the foundational formulas. Well, I think my body was not strong enough for the detox. I have spent that long rebuilding my entire endocrine system. Also the year of using NCD was very necessary, I believe. I think I would have been in serious trouble had I had the same types of reactions after that first liver cleanse a year ago. It was pretty serious at this time.
I am glad that I kept going on with the cleanses.
The fact that I have the energy and the desire to do all the juicing is a major improvement. It makes such a difference. It has been a long time since I could spare the energy for juicing.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 943,145The chemical problems I have/had are the same ones you have stated. I took anitboitics for a simple bacterial problem but after 3 pills they scourced my system and my health went down hill and never fully recovered. this is after 5 hospital visits in a year. I could not stand the sun getting to my eyes as they would water so much, I would get a temperature of 101 in 2 hrs with no other symptoms. I crawled to someone else's computer and realised that my orginal symptoms were CFS/ME. but I was wrongly diagnosed. Senstivites just mounted up everywhere. My nose hurt like hell or gave me chronic hayfever if anyone was wearing chemical based purfumes while at work, or if I had to sit near anyone in a meeting/movies. Read a lot about Dr.Schulzes stuff and the fact that immune system was just not working meant I had to use the echineaca stuff a lot( one bottle in 2 days). So I put that in with any hot drinks from time to time, with the hot baths/hydrotherapy stuff. I measure my self from year to year now, and can see that there are minor improvements but very noticable ones. such as the level of migraines have subsided, so that I finish a sentence and concentrate, and still not have to be indoors with the curtains drawn. I still have not walked into a carpet shop over the last 3 yrs to see if my throat swells up and makes me feel nuaseas. 3 yrs a ago I noticed this when I was looking for vinyl floor covering, so I had to get out of the shop as my eyes and nose was running and thought I might throw up if I did not get quick. I am just working up to doing more juicing now, so that I can get to another level of health.Reading more about the raw food diet for more help now.
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