A question about death & heaven 
jimmy9183
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Hi everyone,
I have a question that I never quite figured out...if we were to die this very instant (as Christians) do we gain entry to heaven immediately or do we hang around until the final judgment? If we go to heaven right away then what's the point of having a final judgment?
- Re: A question about death & heaven beej
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MoreThis is a reply to # 859,600You would sleep knowing nothing until Jesus comes back after the judgment.
1Thessalonians 4:16
Daniel 12:2- Each and everyone of us is an eterna... #73099
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This is a reply to # 859,727
Regarding death beej wrote: "You would sleep knowing nothing until Jesus comes back after the judgment."
If you read and believe your bible, it isn't really all that difficult. Each and every person on the planet is an eternal spirit, residing in a temple called a body. We were each created in the image of god, male and female.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Jesus tells us god is spirit, and that we as spirit must worship god in spirit, not as a body.
John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
When you recognize yourself as spirit and not just flesh and blood, you will also recognize that you will never sleep and that those creepy, dusty, bony, bodies in the graves will never rise. It is spirit that returns to god.
By the way, Jesus also taught that the kingdom of god had arrived, 2,000 years ago and that it wasn't some future time off planet experience. He was very clear about that in many passages and particularly in response to the Pharisees who were the original Left Behind believers.
Luke 17:20-21 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you."
There are various translations of this passage, "in your midst" - "among you" - etc., but Wuest a professor emeritus at Moody Bible institute in his literal translation of the New Testament has it "inside of you." It is there, now, and if you talk to Jesus and to god you will find it there.
You have all your own love, joy, happiness and anything else you want, within yourself right at this moment in time. It is what Jesus clearly taught.
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- Re: A question about death & heaven ginseng007
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This is a reply to # 859,727not relly, absent from the body present with the lord. also look at the rich man and the begger. there is an instant spring into another world. spirt world.
- Re: A question about death & heaven ginseng007
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This is a reply to # 859,727you will be more alive at the instant of death, then you were on earth. absent from the body present with the Lord. Jesus said to the thief on the cross, today you will be with me in paradise. that soul seep nonsence is Jehova witness cult talk.
- Jesus didn't go that day. beej
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This is a reply to # 862,111John 20:17 Jesus said unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father...
It's easy to see that the comma is on the wrong side of the word today. The first writings had no commas, so it was added afterwards.
Luke 23:43 Verily I say unto thee, to day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Since we know Jesus didn't go that day, He must have said; Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.- Re: Jesus didn't go that day. ginseng007
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This is a reply to # 862,176Jesus died that day, and so did the thief. Good Friday. Jesus His spirt, and the thiefs were in paradise. ressurection day sunday his spirt came back into his body and he was raised. with a supernatural pure body. flesh and blood no pain, he ate. then acended into heaven.
- Re: Jesus didn't go that day. ginseng007
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- Jesus didn't go that day. beej
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- Each and everyone of us is an eterna... #73099
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- Everyone is spirit - everyone return... #73099
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This is a reply to # 859,600
Everyone is an eternal spirit. Everyone will eventually return to god. Here's a beautiful scripture which specifically says that the body will return to the earth as dust and the spirit will return to God - who gave it. You don't "sleep" in a grave waiting for some mythical resurrection. Read your bible!
Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain: In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of music shall be brought low; Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
- Re: A question about death & heaven pope_alx
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This is a reply to # 859,600The Bible specifically teaches that we are either here alive in our body or in the presence of the Lord;
(2Co 5:8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
(2Co 5:9) Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
So I guess it is either here or in Heaven, but nevertheless it is in the presence of the Lord (Jesus) so it really doesn't matter. Enlighten yourself by listening to Don Collette is an Ordained Bishop in the Church of God
http://www.sermonsnacks.com
and let God speak to you through His word.
Thanks
- Re: A question about death & heaven been there done that
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This is a reply to # 860,120That "sermonsnacks" is a scam meant for "couch potatoes", but God is not "convenient" POPE. Get real.
- Re: A question about death & heaven ginseng007
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This is a reply to # 860,273soon you are going to leave this earth, hope you dont take these thoughts with you, there will be weeping and knashing of teeth, eternal torment, is this what you want????
- Re: A question about death & heaven ginseng007
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- Was John dead ? beej
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This is a reply to # 860,120No, he was in the world, but not of the world.
Rev. 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day...
That's to be "(2Co 5:8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
- Re: A question about death & heaven been there done that
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- After death a person beej
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This is a reply to # 859,600returns to dust, Psalm 104:29
knows nothing, Ecclesiastes 9:5
possesses no mental powers, Psalm 146:4
has nothing to do with anything on earth, Ecclesiastes 9:6
does not live, 2Kings 20:1
waits in the grave, Job 17:13
and continues not, Job 14:2
This is the first death.
- No such thing as a "first" death.... #73099
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How in the world can you call death "...the first death?" Spirit never dies. Bodies die all the time and they never come back to life and never will, and nothing will ever change that.
If you follow the teachings of Jesus, "....the kingdom of God is inside of you" - you will learn that you are an eternal spirit and not just a temporal body. However, you don't discover this by reading a book, no book - because you are the book. All questions about you and the universe around you are inside of you, just as Jesus taught. By searching where Jesus told us that the kingdom is located, you will discover yourself as spirit, by experience, not by learning from a book.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 ......Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
- Re: No such thing as a "first" death... beej
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This is a reply to # 860,337"Ecclesiastes 12:7 ......Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
Good and evil too ?
The "spirit" in this case is the breath of life.- Re: No such thing as a "first" death... #73099
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""Ecclesiastes 12:7 ......Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
Good and evil too ?
The "spirit" in this case is the breath of life."Yes, both good and evil. God created all. All will return. Spirit in that case is you as spirit. Learn about you as spirit, which is neither you nor your body nor your thoughts. There are a great many out there who simply refuse to believe that we are created as spirit in God's image, (as Genesis teaches). Jesus also taught that God is spirit. We are each created in God's likeness. In your discovery of yourself as spirit, you will also find a very deep understanding, of many things. The following does not refer to breath:
Job 32:8 (KJV) But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
- Re: No such thing as a "first" death... been there done that
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This is a reply to # 860,654"...shall not be hurt by the second death" Revelation 2:11. Rev. 21:8 "...lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death". This has always led me to believe that there is a first death.
People can have an evil spirit, people can have a good spirit, after recieving Jesus as Savior, people can learn to have a HOLY spirit. The sword of the spirit (word of God that we should live by) is sharper than any two edged sword (is so meaningful) it can divide (differentiate) between the person's SOUL and the spirit of that person.
- Re: No such thing as a "first" death... been there done that
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- A "first" death.... beej
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This is a reply to # 860,337Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment...
Psalm 115:17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalm 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee?
Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.- Re: A "first" death.... #73099
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"Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment..."
That verse flies in opposition to what Jesus and his disciples believed. (Paul was not a disciple.)
The Sadducees believed that you were a body and that there was no life after body death. The Pharisees believed as you do (and the Romanized Christian church) that something exists beyond the body - that you have one life only. Paul was a Pharisee (and a Roman, and a murderer). The Essenes believed in pre-existence, and reincarnation. You can do a little reading and find that Jesus was an Essene. (See the Essene Gospel of Peace.)
If you read the following passages you will find that both Jesus and his disciples believed in reincarnation - John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah - per Jesus, not me. The belief in reincarnation was common in his day.
"For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come." (Matthew 11:13-14)
"And the disciples asked him, saying, 'Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?' But he answered them and said, 'Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand.' Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)
Again, you are denying that God is an eternal spirit when you believe that we die and then sleep until some mystical resurrection. God created us in God's image (see Genesis) and Jesus said that God is spirit. If you don't believe the creation story and you don't believe the words of Jesus, I can't assist you.
- Re: A "first" death.... been there done that
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This is a reply to # 860,704Now I see where you are coming from. You consider a book OTHER than the bible ONLY to be scripture. That is wrong. The BIBLE is the ONLY scripture (written word) of God. If you don't agree (obviously you don't), that is your choice, take it up with God (when you decide to become sincere, if ever, The Lord will show you that you are wrong), but you are only fooling yourself and others who don't know any better. You are not a Christian, you only call yourself one. I don't know the similarities or differences of the Essene writings, or care to "pretend" debate what I don't know (everybody today is looking for a way avoid whatever is written in the bible that they are not comfortable with), but be aware of the warning in Galatians 1:6 that ends with ", "...let him BE ACCURSED". God never mentions anywhere in scripture that He only informed us PARTIALLY in scripture about Himself. The bible is COMPLETE and the unabridged scripture of God. At the cross, Jesus did not say that we should wait for any additions to what He was doing while on earth until He rose to be with The Father, He said "It is finished", John 19:30.
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