A woman should also have the right to say NO! In the case of rape she does not!

Ah, but the issue is more complicated than that. You say women have the right to choose, all sorts of nasty things, like be a stripper, and then, you speak morality? I ask you all, please help me understand what is moral and immoral? In your scenario, being a stripper is moral, and having an abortion is immoral? Is that right? And you talk about choice quite a lot, but you strip away the choice of one of the most personal of all bodily functions for women. Quite a paradox, really.

Then you bring up another interesting comment about contraception. We've had quite a few, very long threads, about that already. The proper education and use of contraceptives would ensure that abortion was not necessary. Why do women have sex without using contraceptives? Who knows, could be a million reasons? But people in the past on this forum seem to think that, the most well know, easiest accessed and affordable clinic, Planned Parenthood, is some kind of satanic cult. Planned Parenthood is there, first and foremost, to educate young people on how not to get pregnant. It's a safe place for young women to go and get the information they need. Yes, they are pro-choice also. They do not perform the abortions themselves, but refer out when needed. However they are firebombed, and picketed, and a host of other atrocities, when they are there, firstly, to PREVENT pregnancy. How are young people supposed to get birth control if they have to pass a long line of people holding pictures of dead fetuses? Sort of sounds like a self defeating effort, at best. In small towns, it might be a friends mother standing outside that clinic.

People kill tons of innocent people every day. In car accidents, murder, supporting companies with world health violations, war, spraying pesticides on food, doctors prescribing lethal medicine, errors of judgment, so on and so forth. We are an organism, sometimes beautiful, sometimes quite foul.

Okay, so a woman has no right to kill the child that is growing inside of her. Maybe she was too stupid to use contraception or she didn't want to take unnatural artificial hormones that make her crazy. She was with someone she thought cared about her. So she's pregnant, doesn't have a real job, doesn't have a man in her life, and now has to raise a child on her own. She's scared, alone, and has no one to turn to. To end it all, she decides to end her own life, and the child's.

In my neighborhood 2 summers ago, a woman that had been checked into a mental institution for the past 10 years of her life became pregnant. She was raising the infant in her small apartment, and on a few occasions went to a couple of her neighbor's doors and asked them to take the child from her. She had no help and was not fit to raise the poor baby. One afternoon, she walked to the front steps of the apartment on a busy street, grabbed the child by the feet and killed it on the sidewalk. It was horrifying. The story was in my local newspaper.

I've heard of so many stories related to the first scenario and the second was one that effected my entire community. I don't think that having an abortion is right, but I think if a mother isn't ready to have a child she shouldn't for her own good and the baby's.

I disagree. Women should have the right to terminate a healthy pregnancy if they personally choose to do so.

A fetus is still a body part. Whether any of you dislike this terminology or not, it IS true. You can argue up and down that "it's a baby, it's a life, it's immoral, it's murder" and on and on ad nauseum, but it is what it is, and WHAT it is, is a part of the woman's body. The fetus is still attached inside the woman's body. Not outside, but inside.

Female animals in nature instinctively know what to do with their offspring, and I believe that humans instictively know what to do as well.

If a mother has a right to be a mother, she also has the right not to be one. Women should have the right to terminate a healthy pregnancy if they personally choose to do so.