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Idealistic Youth
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As an American, I am confused.. what's wrong with people nowadays?
From: idealistic youth
Im a college student in California (born and raised, so yes, that makes me a hippie liberal) and am appalled by everything that comes out of Bush's mouth. As for Iraq... I read all of the above posts and understand the Iraqui man's point, that this is their chance to be free of a dictator, but at what cost? What sort of freedom is having your country bombed on a daily basis, left in rubble and ruin with the masses of dead and injured? I agree that Saddamm is an evil bastard, but the solution is assasination, not annaihalation of the whole country.
On those occassional "America rules! Go back to Russia!"-esque comments I read... there is a difference between supporting your country, appreciating your freedom, and blindly following like a pathetic little puppy. "My country, right or wrong!" that's such a disgusting mantra. If something is WRONG, why on earth would you follow it? Besides the fact, there is NO REASONABLE MOTIVE for going into Iraq. I went to peace protests in my hometown and quite a few people drove by and yelled out the window (as they sped away, you see, too cowardly to actually stop and talk to people), "DOn't forget 9-11" while not stopping to think, "hey- there WAS no link between Saddamm Hussein and 9-11! And if there was, I don't think we should punish a whole nation for a small group's evildoing!" link to 9-11? nope. weapons of mass destruction? nope. links to osama? nope. it seems as though there's a new reason every week to make up for the fact that there's no reason at all. And the more I read the more I realize how uninformed I am, and I really hate being lied to on a daily basis. Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men" is really good, and The Progressive magazine, because (yes, from a liberal POV) they are both very informative. Just reading all of the information in Moore's book (backed up by research, friends, not just "leftist propaganda"), leaves you feeling sickened, there is so much I didn't know and so much corruption. My friends and I have a running joke that we're moving to Canada, because they 1) don't have Bush, 2) don't have violent gun deaths in the extreme that we do, and 3) the most recent and most wonderful, have Arnold for their governor.
god bless america.
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- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... wheelslip
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You made my day, Ideal...! It's really not important whether you are GOP or Dem. What is important is that you vote for and support politicians that will advance those ideals that make this country a better place to live. There-in the problem lies... You must identify what philosophy is best for you. If you read liberal propaganda (Lies - Frankin) and conservative propaganda (Treason - Coulter) you are exposed to the extremes of two of the most popular political philosophies. No candidate that espouced either of the extreme philosophies has ever become POTUS. Bush and Clinton both lied - they just wanted to be president at any cost. Today, the next president will be the person that gets the most money from the wealthiest one percent without seeming to be the top one percent's lap dog... You've got to be an excellent liar. Bush and Clinton have perfected the art! We need a party that represents the majority of Americans. Then, a majority of Americans will participate in our democracy.
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- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... #9038
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This is a reply to # 620,561As an American I am embarassed when I hear fellow Americans making comment like your which are all-encompassing and devoid of any sense of reason. To say that you are appalled by everything that comes out of George Bush's mouth is an absurdity at the very best and an indication of a chronic hyperbolic individual. (The other not so healthy c.h.i.)
If you've got issues with him and his politics then by all means be mature enough and enlightened enough to share these ideas and the reasoning behind it. It is clear that due to an overload of information most people have the attention span of a child - and this can be witnessed in the shallowness and ignorance that most politicians and pundits exhibit in their laughable discussions of the issues. Be different - be informed and understand why you believe what you believe - the best advice I can provide you with FREE OF CHARGE is this - question your sources motives and verify their data with visible evidence if possible. Apply this principle and you will be far ahead of your better than average politico.
BTW - I supported Bush and I will again despite the fact that I've got great concerns about his moves. Primarily because not one Democrat or other legitimate candidate has an ounce of vision and offers legitimate solutions to the problems facing America. What then though do you expect from a government that guides a people willing to allow an Impeached President to collect millions of dollars in retirement benefits and elects his vitriolic partner in crime to a 6-year term and another stack of millions in retirement benefits?- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... wheelslip
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Obviously, you are a Nascar fan. Although your post was insulting, I see no need to return the favor.. The content of your post says more than I could. If you are among the top one percent of the income bracket, you have to love Shrub. If you are amongst the lower 60% of American workers, you would have to be nuts to vote for him. What you don't understand is that this Terrorism BS will only carry Dud-Boy so far.- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... #9038
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This is a reply to # 620,583How hilarious! I am laughing a side-splitting laugh at this very moment because you have clearly proven a point I have been aware of for, well for years. That point is that when people lose the ability to discuss the issue they go for the cheapest and quickest distraction route possible which is character assassination and painting their counterpart as a demon they can undermine with minimal requirement of knowledge about issues or their background.
You see you don't even know me, my circumstances, my income or status in my community or society - so you paint me as something you can jump on with ease. You could not be further from any truths about me as is clear by your confused response. If you've got questions about me ask - if you want to take cheap shots which is a typical response in this day and age I will offer my sympathy to you and offer up my time to more worthy pursuits than feeding your unduly inflated urge to pump yourself up.
As for the "shrub" and "dud-boy" monikers that is about as childish as it comes and shows even more clearly that an effort to discuss the issues with you would likely be futile because you are probably beyond convincing that you could possibly be mistaken or misguided or without any logical solutions. Character assassination, as I stated earlier, is typically indicative of these other character traits.
As I said - if there were a legitimate alternative to President Bush I would likely support them if they understood several concepts:
No nation that legitimizes the unlimited destruction of the most innocent forms of life and sits quietly as hundreds of thousands of lives are taken by the medical establishment every year can or will survive itself - the value of life is lost and how could you expect the people to value life when the government and overburdening media perpetuate life as a burden when it "inconveniences" someone?
No nation that taxes to poverty its citizens wil survive and Democrats have never offered an option to this very plain principle - nor do any of their present candidates offer up any solutions but rather hope to be elected merely because they can find flaws in the current administration - a leader must have vision because what is said in the Bible is very true in life "Where there is no vision, the people perish" - take a look around the world and you can see example after example. Iraq is one very clear example - Hussein had no vision only an unfillable greed without any care for the lives of Iraq's citizens.
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- Here's a wild guess.. Lapis
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- Re: Here's a wild guess.. #9038
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This is a reply to # 620,584As a matter of fact I am, as were the founders of this nation of ours, as are most of the members of our Congress, as are the majority of citizens of this once great nation, should that matter? Because if you think it does then you are guilty of religious persecution and showing a shallowness to your insight, knowledge and ability to discuss the issues.
Does that describe you?- Re: Here's a wild guess.. Lapis
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Doesn't matter that your a christian. What matters is that you the type of religious person who has chosen a false christian to be your leader.
I'm guessing your not a member of skull and bones like Bu$h is?
Don't confuse patriotism with blind leader worship.
Do you have any shares in Haliburton? If so I could see how one might be proud of what was recently done in Iraq(from a shares/profit scenario), however, I personally don't find killing innocent people to get at oil reserves under the premise of war, a very humane thing to do, let alone a christian thing to do. Let me ask you this as a christian...what would Jesus have done in the situation?
Where are those weapons of mass destruction or does it really matter?
Do you think America's forefathers would stand by and let fascists/globalists rip the constitution to threads and take away peolpes "god given" rights? Cause that's what going down.
- Re: Here's a wild guess.. #9038
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This is a reply to # 620,591I am a Christian who voted for Bush but if you think all Christians who voted for him are not aware of questionable or concerning moves by his administration you're ignorant of the fact that people other than you have access to insight and knowledge. There are many other reasons a Christian might have chosen Bush over Gore or would support Bush over any Democratic opponent in the upcoming election (God help us!). Let me provide you a few:
1. The war on Iraq - whether you like it or not it wasn't all about Halliburton and it wasn't a war against innocent people - did innocent people die? Of course, they do in ALL wars! But more innocent people die in US hospitals each and every month than Iraqi citizens have died in the war to date. Whether you want to believe it or not Hussein had to go and his regime is now gone. Will companies profit during this time - sure! Halliburton - unfortunately so. But to ignore Husseins demise and dream up other ways it "could have been done" - is unrealistic. If the Dem's make their opposition to the way Bush has dealt with this issue - any Christian would be justified in opposing them - but any smart Christian would look at more issues than this. WMD - no one ever questioned their existence for the many years that the UN did nothing to enforce their 17 resolutions - and now this idea is used as a way to overlook Huseein and his regimes murderous history - surely you jest!
2. Taxes - has a Democratic candidate ever proposed anything that would lighten the burden on ANY family when it comes to taxes? They seem to believe that by burdening the rich they will lessen the burden on the poor - well the poor are employed by the rich (directly or indirectly)and if you think that raising taxes on the rich pays off debts you need a crash course in economics and a wake-up course in the economics of the wealthy. They will find ways around over-taxation - legally. Problem with any of these ideas, Bush included, is that it has to clear Congress which is a pork-barrel haven - does this mean anything to you?
3. As a Christian I just cannot get past the Kill-em-all abortion attitude that is perpetuated by the Democratic platform. You do not have to be a Christian to know that this is a direct violation of the rights of American citizens to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Anyone who's had an abortion or been the victim of an abortion procedure to them or their partner in the pregnancy is now and always will be the parent of a dead child and that can destroy the souls of anyone. Imagine the lost value people have for life because of the allowed destruction of the most innocent lives around.
4. Vision - if a Democratic hopeful have any semblance of vision for the country that held to the founding intent - that being a Christian nation with respect for all religions but a nation built upon and holding to the Christian values - then maybe one might have a chance of garnering my vote.
BTW - I agree with the shredding of the Constitution (it deserves to be capitalized by the way) and am aware of the globalist efforts, Tri-lateral commission, WHO, UN, NWO, etc... I'm hip - but when you've got two choices on the table and one is bile soup and the other is a moldy piece of bread - but you've got to eat? Moldy bread wins every time.
As for what Jesus would do? Whatever He would do - it would be far too much for much of this generation to handle as I'm sure it would have required people to praise His Father the One True God and ask Him for guidance and divine intervention.
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I am "really" wheelslip! I've veen wondering why this forum has continued for months without being attacked by you Nazi -brown shirt perverts. All good things must come to an end. I propose, instead of personal attacks, we talk numbers. Unemployment, tax reductions, medicare, education, energy, environment, Iraq, Afghanistan... You name it. No more boiler-plate bull shit. Numbers, wise ass... or butt out!
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- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... wheelslip
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This is a reply to # 620,569BTW - #9038 - Either you have been blessed with a below average IQ or you are a politically active 5th grader.
- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... #9038
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This is a reply to # 620,585Let's not go there wheelslip - character assassination attempts are unbecoming in a debate or discussion and cast more light on your ineptitude than any of your jabs could reveal truths about an opponents true character. The childish nature of cheap shots reveals an immaturity problem - could this be the results of a self-examination foisted upon an adversary in an attempt to undermine the fruitful discussion of the issues?
Stick to the issues or you'll be left to bang your chest in "victory" for lack of any opponent due to their realization that your discussion is not worth their time.
- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... wheelslip
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This is a reply to # 620,588This response came 30 seconds after I posted... Take it for what it's worth. God bless GOP technology!
- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... wheelslip
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This is a reply to # 620,588Four-score and seven years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this nation a message conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. We are now engaged in a great civil war testing that this nation or any nation so conceived can long endure. We are met on a battle field of that great war to dedicate a portion of it that... My memory ain't what it used to be. Sorry, folks!
- Re: As an American, I am confused.. ... wheelslip
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This is a reply to # 620,602Four score and seven years ago our fore-fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation - conceived in liberty and dedicated... I'm fishing for a robot response, sorry folks! :-))
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