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I have never been to a Chiropractor, however I would love to go for various reasons, and believe that they can help a lot of people.
I know a lot of people that go to Chriropractors, yet I'm scared...
Can anyone help me understand the process and safety?- Re: Tell Me More... John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 614,433Hi,
A chiropractor is a specialist in adjusting the spine and correcting nerve flow. He's also a specialist in detecting things you wouldn't ordinarily expect him to find, based on some rather simple techniques involving his expertise in the flow of the nervous system.
Basically, this is what my chiropractor would do.
He'd have me hold out one arm or the other. Then he'd put a finger or two on various locations (particularly along the spine, but he wasn't limited to that) and then ask me to resist his attempt to push down my arm. Based on how easily he could push down my arm, he'd treat that as a reading that something was amiss. Then he could move to adjust whatever it was he'd detected, which could be having me lay down so he could apply an abrupt pressure to my spine to "crack" it (the vertebrae right near my gall bladder, for example, were off center), or on my back with my head in his hands to quickly turn my neck (that startled me!) to adjust it, or just stand there while he used a small device which applies a small bit of pressure in an area the size of, say, a pencil eraser. Rather noisy little thing.
Anyway, his goal was to get the pinched nerves unpinched, and the spinal column and related bones aligned properly. He did a fantastic job on helping me get through the shoulder pain I was experiencing.
It's pretty amazing.
=-John-=
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MoreThis is a reply to # 614,434So it's safe right?
I know what they do and how they do it, believe me ~ there is just something that makes me feel uneasy about having my bones "cracked" as you put it. Especially the neck.- Re: Tell Me More... John Cullison
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MoreThis is a reply to # 614,435Why are you asking if it's safe?
It's a little unsettling at first, I suppose... I was nervous the first time... (story of my life, actually, but that's a topic for another discussion).
I think the lack of lawsuits and media coverage given to "chiropractor-induced injuries" speaks for itself.
=-John-=
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This is a reply to # 614,436Very true!
I have a mother, that says if a Chiropractor adjust your neck, it can cause stroke....weird I know. My mom is nurse, and heavily brainwashed by the medical society!
Anyway, I'm going to make an appointment for a consult...If I can stope being so chicken...LOL- Re:Dangers of Chiropraction Mom
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This is a reply to # 614,437As from my investigations, yes it can be dangerous BUT it is a VERY VERY small percentage. The ones who are more at risk are like 80 year olds with problems with blook flow. This can cause a stroke. The liklyhood of a younger person going through that is slim to none. It is not like in the movies when they show people breaking each others necks....not like that at all.
So yes there is a chance for stroke....but mostly in older people with zero history of going to a chiropractor and a history of circulatory problems. Hope this helps. :)
Mom- Re:Dangers of Chiropraction OAK
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This is a reply to # 614,442It is interesting how you note that the highest risk age group for complications are 80 year olds. Which research study is this cited from? The highest risk individuals are the ones with the most flexable spines ie. young women. I still believe that cervical manipulations are safe, however if the risks are discussed the details should be accurate.
- Chiropractic is completely safe! Fifty9
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This is a reply to # 614,442Stroke has never been linked to chiropractic, and it's completely safe for elderly patients.
- Re: Chiropractic is completely safe! CLOE1
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This is a reply to # 614,487you are wrong, my mother had a stroke many years ago after an adjustment. she was in the hospital for over a week. the chiro. was lucky she did not get sued. mom felt it, she knew that something was wrong. i have also posted about my father passing away while under chiro. care and not seeing an MD. the chiro. told him he did not need an MD. well, now my father is dead because of it. a month before dad died, this doc. told him that he was healthy, like usual, well, why is he dead.???????
- Re: Chiropractic is completely safe! CLOE1
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This is a reply to # 614,487you must be a very young person. my mother had a stroke right there on the table. after her adjustment. the doc. said, i am so sorry!!!!! the doc knew that she screwed up, but my mother being the good person she is, did not sue this chiro. instead she spent a week in the hospital. she has never been the same. so dont say it cant happen, it did. if you would like more insight, just read my posts, please, cloe ps, this doc. had been in practice for many years,not a new comer to the field.
- Re: Chiropractic is completely safe! spinecracker
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This is a reply to # 614,535Current research does show a possible , but not causative, link between vetebrobasilar arterial insufficiency (a form of stroke) and some forms of chiropractic cervical manipulation. I will look into the research over the next few weeks and post another message on what I find. The problem with alot of the research out there (and I've read plenty of it) is that often the researchers classify many things as a chiropractic adjustment without actually understanding what it is (one paper stated that an `adjustment' given by an osteopathic doctor was actually a chiropractic adjustment - they are totally different - and also blamed one stroke caused by a kung fu expert as being due to a chiropractic technique!). I am sorry to hear about your mother, CLOE1. What must be said is that strokes due to chiropractic are very rare. Instances of stroke due to cervical manipulation can vary, depending on what research you read, from between 1 to 500,000 to 1 to 3 million cervical manipulations (the chances of a fatal response to aspirin can be as low as 1 in 3000!). The problem is that screening methods are pretty inaccurate (you might want to read up on George's Protocol), and even MDs very often miss the same signs and symptoms that we chiropractors might miss. The problem with a small percentage of the population is that they are predisposed to stroke due to weakness is arterial walls, and something as simple as looking over their shoulder could cause a stroke (there is also a high incidence of stroke in elderly people who have their hair washed at hairdressers - the person's neck is held in extension for several minutes, compressing the vetebral arteries besides others, leading to stroke).
- Re: Chiropractic is completely safe! CLOE1
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This is a reply to # 614,536thank you for the info, if you will read my other posts about my dad, i would like your opinion on what to do. i feel that this doctor was negligent. our whole family loved this man, he was wonderful. but, dad is dead. please read my posts, i respect your opinion. i am so in turmoil about my dads death right now.
- Re: Chiropractic is completely safe! #22889
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This is a reply to # 614,537Dear Chloe,
I am another individual whose live was ruined by a chiroprator. There are several actions you can take if the statue of limitations is still not up.
First in your moms case there is overwhelming litigation that the manipulations can cause stroke. In addition, if he was manipulating C1-2 this would imply that the chiropractor would risk paralyzation. These vertebrae should not be touched.
Actions you can take:
-File a case against him in the state you live in so he would lose his license.
-You can sue (need an expert in litigation against chiropractors)
he should not have been treating stomach problems with spinal manipulations or telling people he can treat them. That is Quackery.
-Submit his name to Peer Review so people that do there research will know of his mistakes.
-Word of mouth -tell everyone you know how bad he is in the hopes that it will get around.
None of these will bring your Dad back, however, it might help someone else from this Quackery.
- Re: Chiropractic is completely safe! CLOE1
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This is a reply to # 614,555thank you so much for your responce, i have talked to an attorney, but it went now where, it makes me sick. my mother has been so sick the past eight months since dad died. long story, but thank you for being on my side. we have been under choro. care for many years. but not any more!!! i wont let them touch me again, my mother either. please stay in touch, and give me courage to do what is right!! thanks hun, i really need your support. you see, i am ill myself. so all the prayers you can send my way, would be great, i am printing out all of the posts i am getting, maybe that will help!! thanks again hun, please spead the word!!! liz
- Re: Chiropractic is completely safe! jaden1965
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This is a reply to # 614,556The sad fact is you are grieving. That makes chiropractic unsafe for the masses? There is plenty of research stating the small risk of stroke from chiropractic adjustment. The link can be found here http://www.subluxation.com/html/articles/KENT_Jul2000.htm
but research has also shown a higher risk of stroke from common aspirin (a study published in the September 1999 issue of Stroke: Journal of the American Heart Association found that taking more than 15 aspirin tablets per week -- what researchers consider a "high dose" -- doubles the risk of developing a hemorrhagic stroke, caused by bleeding in the brain. ) than with manipulation or adjustment. I think you will agree if you read the link posted. This matter is simple. No matter what health discipline you choose there are going to be stars in their field and there are going to be failures. In either case there are adverse events associated with health care. To my knowledge chiropractic has the lowest incidence of adverse events recorded evidenced by the lowest malpractice rates of any health care provider.
My point is this, you can find fault in any health care specialty and you can find poor practitioners in that specialty but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are positive benefits to spinal manipulation.
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This is a reply to # 614,437If performed correctly, there is no chance of the patient getting hurt as a result of an adjustment. Considering medical treatment is the third leading cause of preventable death in the US, I always thought the medical profession had some nerve to call chiropractic dangerous.
Relating stroke to chiropractic is a scare tactic and is completely unfounded. According to the studies I have read, the best they could do was to say that there were one to two instances of stroke per one million "manipulations." Chiropractors don’t “manipulate”, they deliver specific ADJUSTMENTS and these studies fail to note the difference. The study itself had major problems since they couldn't prove if any of the stroke victims even had a cervical "manipulation" performed on them during their trip to the chiropractor, and they admitted that they also included manipulations performed by non-chiropractors. Osteopaths, physiotherapists, general practitioners, a kung fu practitioner, a wife, a blind masseur, and an Indian barber were all performing “manipulations” which were called “chiropractic treatments” and included in the study.
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This is a reply to # 614,435As far as I know..the Chiropratcors I've gone to do not like the term "cracking" but rather adjusting. LOL
When you hear that sound, it is the release of built up gasses. That's partly why we tend to feel better shortly after. :)
Mom
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This is a reply to # 614,434sometimes nerves get pinched during an adjustment. then what??? you are in big trouble, thats what. i have had bad adjusments myself, and have been to many chiros. i have also had some relief. it just depends on the doc. just like some medical docs are quacks, i have gone to them also. we just have to be careful. we need to do research on these doctors. by the way, its very hard to sue a doctor. not many attorneys will touch it. docs get away with murder, literally. they cover each others asses. im sure some of you have expereinced this. over 98 thousand people die each year, just from md neglect. neglect, thats the word. so, to all, be very careful, cloe - Re: Tell Me More... CLOE1
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This is a reply to # 614,434there are many different kinds of adjustments. from head twisting, to using a tool down your spine. i have had many types in my years. it just depends on what the doc. is comfortable with.
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This is a reply to # 614,433I started seeing a chiropractor after my fall last year and absolutely Loved it!
HOWEVER, before you let a chiropractor start manipulating your back, make sure they take x-rays (oooh, radiation) first. Not knowing what the picture looks like under the skin is just working blind and any chiropractor that doesn't x-ray first is cutting corners - at Your possible expense. There are some quick quack schools out there that pump out 'professionals' left and right for a fee. Thankfully, the majority of chiropractors are good, caring, well trained and conscientious people. Ask a few questions first, make sure you are comfortable with them, and Get Those X-rays!
In my case, I'd had spondylolisthesis for years (although I didn't know it had a name, I just knew I had a weak back.) When I went to see the chiropractor, if he had just done the resistance tests and then started adjusting I could be in a really bad situation. Thankfully, the first thing he did was order x-rays - turns out my vertabrae was broken. No amount of manipulation would have fixed it. But, knowing it was broken and where, he did manage to Very Greatly relieve my pain until I could get surgery to have the bone caged.
I highly recommend chiropractic care. In fact, I'm such a fan of it that I got my husband to go and get some more minor issues seen to and he's feeling much better.- Re: Tell Me More... Fifty9
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This is a reply to # 614,438Under normal circumstances, x-rays should be taken before an adjustment but after the examination. The subluxation is found on the patient and not on the x-ray, so if no subluxation is found on the patient during the examination than there is little need to x-ray.
I don’t know of any “quick quack schools” that produce doctors of chiropractic, and the actual chiropractic education is actually quite impressive when compared with that of a M.D. or D.O.
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- gentle vs headrippers gingersnap
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This is a reply to # 614,433just my $0.02 but there is a range of chiropractors from very gentle to real head rippers. I've seen at least 5 different ones and I love the one I have now. He is on the gentle end of the spectrum.
He takes his time w/ me and gives me a mini back massage to work out the knots before he adjusts me. Then his adjusts are mild.
I see my massage therapist and chiropractor each about every 3 weeks - they do a good job of releasing the knots/tension/locked-up areas up. Insurance pays for it, so thats really nice.
Good luck - ask around first!
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This is a reply to # 614,454There are many different techniques that are in the required curriculum of chiropractic colleges. Some techniques are gentler than others, while some take a great degree of skill to perform (Perfect practice makes perfect). Likewise, some techniques are more effective than others and the skill of the doctor of chiropractic plays a big role in the effectiveness of every adjustment. As far as "head rippers" go, I think you are talking about the diversified technique and variations of it. In Chiropractic College we learn that adjustments involving rotation of the cervical spine is bad for the IVD (disc), so I'm bothered that diversified is still taught in chiropractic colleges since it’s kind of heavy with the rotation.
Rotation of the cervical spine is not a proper cervical adjustment, and if this is what your chiropractor is doing than I highly suggest you find one with more skill. While even “bad chiropractic” is relatively safe, it’s in your best interest to see a chiropractor that is more specific with their adjustments.
I think I will post a thread on how to ensure you are seeing a highly skilled Doctor of Chiropractic and how to locate one.
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This is a reply to # 614,454I know what you mean about headrippers - the first ever cervival adjustment I got in the student clinic at Palmer West College left me with numbness and tingling down both arms for 3 days! (I got better!)
The most important decision about choosing a chiropractor is whether or not his or her technique suits you - some people love the `twist their head until they can look backwards without a mirror' adjustments - and then to see if their personality matches yours. I've been to chiropractors who have had wonderful personalities, but they adjust like Goofy. Technique first, personality second.- QuackWatch.com for risks and victims... 2004
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This is a reply to # 614,538I went to the chiropractor from hell in West Bloomfield, MI. He maniuplated my spine 2-3 times a week and destabilized my spine causing permanent nerve damage (he tore my spine from his spineripping manipulations) so he could make a couple of thousand dollars. No one should be manipulated that often. Two other chiropractors that looked at my case stated that he was doing this for the money. The problem I went in for was not spinal related. My life is living hell from this man 24/7. I can't sleep, eat or breathe without nerve pain shooting down all four extremeties as well as my spine. He knew he had done something wrong and tried to fix it. He would rather risk further damage than send me to an MD. I have a massive spinal cord injury for the rest of my life because of this psychopath. I do not know if he is a mental moran or just sadistic. He went to one of the poorest undergraduate schools in the state. As far as moral character he impregnated a patient that came in for infertility. So much for ethical too.
Please look at Quackwatch.com to understand the risks of manipulations and complaints by victims (some of which are put out there by the victims families since they died from the manipulations). Make sure you also read the scare tactics used by bad chiropractors. This person used all of them on me (one leg shorter than the other, I will get arthritis, your neck is too straight and they will try and put a curve in it via manipulations). Manipulations cause the joint and the ligaments to loose around the joint. This is what the spineripper did to me and then he tried to fix it not telling me what the problem was and I ended up with nerve root damage for the rest of my life.
And yes, the nerve pain drives me insane.
It takes a brave person to come forward. The only good that can come out is that someone else may benefit from my misfortune.
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