I do not really know and I have tried to read on the internet and all I have found is some very confusing information....contradictions, double talk, etc. I have some thing wrong with my shoulder also. I am going to a Chinese Acupuncturist/Herbalist. I have taken three consecutive acupuncture treatments in the past couple of weeks, several days apart. I am also taking some kind of herbal thing, which she gives me in a plastic bag so I have no idea what it is and she does not know the words in English to tell me. She uses some wonderful liniment, then inserts the needles and then put her FAR infrared heat lamp on my shoulder. I lay there for about 45 minutes and when she is done I am fine for two or three days, then it gradually starts hurting again, until I go back and get some more needles. I can say that this treatment is helping. She says this is arthritis. I do not think it is, but she is helping me so I do not care what she calls it. Years ago (probably 15 or 20) I had this same problem and was diagnosed at a regular medical quack. He said it was bursitis and used ultrasound on me, which did nothing. The pain then finally subsided after several weeks or months and was gone like it was never there.

Curezone Father, Dusan, says that frozen should can be helped by doing liver flushes.

One thing I do know is that is you had gone to more doctors they would eventually diagnose you as having some thing that requires surgery. It sounds like you may not want that. I will not have surgery, I do not care how bad it gets. I am going to finish the course of herbal things my wonderful Chinese Doctors has given me and then if I still need more help I am going to read more and try and figure out what herbs I can use on my own that may help.

About one year ago I hurt my sholder lifting a heavy thing. It was unreal, hurts for weeks and then it finally got better, and just like before, was like it never happened. Then I had no stiffness and had full rage of motion, and no pain after I recovered.

I cannot do my normal activities either. On the good days I do what I can. On the bad days I do nothing. This time it started about a month ago. I just woke up one morning with pain. I do know that I have to keep it from getting real stiff so I do try and exercise it just a little bit several times a day. This also will get more blood flow to the area that hurts, which will help in healing. I do not lift any thing heavy with my right. I wish I could help you more. Maybe some one else will come along with some answers for you.

My Chinese Doctor said heat will help me and it does. I do not use a heating pad because the one I have is not FAR infrared and it can cause more damage than it does good. I do use hot water. I do use the liniment from the Chinese Doctor, which basically works as a counter irritant, and stimulates blood flow into my sore areas.

Hope this helps.

Blueduck

I have frozen shoulder too and I understand, from the net, that if it has no obvious traumatic cause that it is often from the build up of toxins in the shoulder. It seems that it resolves within 2 years with or without treatment. This is definitely related to liver toxins since the right one is the referral place for liver problems. I can relate to this since I am doing the flushes from time to time and trying very hard to eat better to allow my stagnant liver to clear. I have been getting myofascial and cranio sacral to it which has helped a bit but I am not seeing much improvement lately. I also think this is related to resistant to change and a place when much inner rage is stored, since that is what I "see" during sessions. I am swimming three times a week and the breaststroke is all I know. So I am losening it up that way. I also stretch it out with a very slow backstroke. You can do more in the water than out.
Yes, I was referred to a surgeon, but I am doing much better than others who are post-operative at the pool.

Re Rotator cuff - my pattern of pain also conforms to problems in the supraspinatus muscle which lies on the top part of the scapula and is part of the rotator cuff which is a ring of muscles supporting the shoulder joint.

So, these are the things I know about it. Hope it helps.

Sonya.

So is Frozen shoulder and a sore Rotator cuff the same thing????

All I know is that I did not have a specific injury to my left shoulder, actually I thought it was all in my head... because (don't laugh)I recall one night thinking to myself as I was getting into bed...it won't surprize me if "one day" I have shoulder problems because I always sleep on my left side with my arm stretched upwards and my head resting on it. The very next day was when my problem began. ? Perhaps I should have posted this under "psychology"!!!
After all these years I had to trade sides with my husband as I can no longer sleep on my left side. I have tried to "think" it away and that hasn't worked. Because I've been healthy I guess I really thought it would just go away as quickly as it came but no such luck.
If it gets any worse I think I will try the acupuncture.

Thanks for your info.

After a fall last year that over-stretched my left shoulder (a construction accident) , I slowly developed froz/shoulder. Took three months to "lock up", five months of limited movement, and, when I moved a certain way, extraordinary pain! Chiro visits helped somewhat, but the more I researched it on the net, the more I knew it was due to my body's inherent poor circulation. I have been on a quest to improve that condition for years with bioflavinoids, garlic, antioxidents, stretching, ect. Finally after 15 months it was 70% back to normal, but as I read about "Frozen Shoulder", I learned that it sometimes affects the other shoulder for "no reason". Sure enough. Now my right shoulder is getting stiff and painful. Not as bad as the injured one, but enought ot make me turn to doing a liver flush. I read about them in in CureZone during my quest to bring relief and am now taking Gold Coin Grass, Chinese bitters, extra garlic, omega oils, more raw organic foods, lots of water, and have recently dicovered CAYENNE. It has properties that rapidly increase circulation and is touted as being good for getting the blood flowing to promote healing. The shoulder is a tendonous, sinewy, boney area that has little circulation compared to most of the body. I believe that this is why our shoulders are prone to problems and slow to heal. I would treat your Rotatorcuff problem the same as Frozen shoulder - get the blood in there to bring nutrients and then to carry out wastes! But first, provide it with some high quality nutrients so eat more raw (uncooked) healing foods, drink a gallon of water a day to assist in moving nutrients and wastes in and out, and take herbs to assist in the healing. And keep moving your body! Yoga, stretching, ect. And consider a Liver Flush which, I trust, will allow our liver to do what it does efficiently thus increasing our bodies ability to heal itself. I’m almost ready to do mine. I’ve been taking the GCGrass, ect. for a month now and when I get a stretch of time where I can relax, I’m doing the Flush. Don't go near an Allopathic doctor. All they know is surgery and drug therapy.