Scott,
Did you get stones out with every flush? Hard for me to even imagine 25 flushes. No doubt I'll have to have my gall bladder taken out if it takes 25 flushes. That would take a year based on doing a flush every 2 weeks.
Birdie

 

 

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I wonder if anyone knows that question...I'd like to know too!

Over what time period have you done your 25 flushes?

T

Every person is different, but there are people who can produce new stones within 2 weeks, there are people who can produce new stones within 2 months and there are people who can produce new stones within 2 years time.

Many women can produce "large" stones within few months of pregnancy or within few months after birth.

If you can't seem to be able to flush all stones out, that only means that your body is constantly producing new stones ... but do not be discouraged!

One day, there will be no more stones, and you will remember good old days when you could do a flush and get some "great results"!

I miss those good days ... doing flush last few years is nothing but a great disappointment ... few tiny stones ... eh ... I still remember my huge stones ...


Read here:

Pathogenesis of gallstones

How Gallstones Are Formed


Pathogenesis of gallstones
Robert Coben, MD

Excerpt:

Stages in Cholesterol Gallstone Formation:


1. Formation of saturated bile: The most critical factor is the ratio of cholesterol/bile acids.
In general the likelihood of stone formation is increased by anything that raises cholesterol level or lowers bile acid levels, such as: .. CUT..

2. Nucleation: The next step in cholesterol gallstone formation is nucleation of cholesterol into crystals, followed by agglomeration of crystals and growth of the microlith into
macroscopic gallstones.


Nucleation

Nucleation promoters:
Even when supersaturated with cholesterol, fresh bile from
subjects without Gallstones rarely contains cholesterol crystals. The same bile, when incubated, forms crystals very slowly (up to 15 days). Bile of patients with cholesterol gallstones, on the other hand, usually does contain cholesterol crystals, and its nucleation time, when incubated, is much more rapid (mean of 2.9 days). Nucleation of cholesterol occurs far more rapidly from gallbladder bile of patients with cholesterol Gallstones than from hepatic bile in the same patients, even when hepatic bile samples are supersaturated with cholesterol. The addition of even small amounts of gallbladder bile to the hepatic bile samples causes rapid nucleation. These observations have led to the isolation of proteins in the gallbladder that promote or retard the nucleation of cholesterol crystals. At least five proteins have been identified as putative nucleation promoters, in addition to gallbladder mucoprotein. High doses of aspirin reduce the incidence of gallstones in a prairie-dog model, perhaps by inhibiting the synthesis of a nucleation promoter. Success in other species has been variable.

. Growth: The crystal acquires additional cholesterol to form a visible stone. Cholesterol
stones often contain alternating layers of cholesterol crystals and mucoprotein. Pure
cholesterol crystals are quite soft. Protein adds strength to the stone. This stage of
stone formation is largely influenced by gallbladder stasis. In theory, microscopic
cholesterol crystals would be regularly ejected from the gallbladder if its contractions were
effective enough. Gallstones forming in patients with high spinal cord injury or treated
with the somatostatin analog Octreotide have been largely associated with impaired
gallbladder motility.



4. Gallbladder sludge, or thickened gallbladder mucoprotein with tiny entrapped cholesterol
crystals, is thought to be the usual precursor of gallstones. Sludge may also occur in
asymptomatic patients with prolonged fasting and can be seen on standard
ultrasonography of the gallbladder. Sludge can sometimes cause biliary pain,
cholecystitis, or acute pancreatitis, but may also resolve without treatment. The antibiotic
ceftriaxone can precipitate in the gallbladder and bile ducts as sludge.




Bile Duct Stones

Primary bile duct stones are stones formed in the biliary tree as the result of bile stasis, e.g.
above a stricture, around foreign material such as a suture, or in association with infection.
They are often earthy, muddy stones that can reach large dimensions, and are composed
predominantly of calcium bilirubinate and minor amounts of cholesterol or fatty acids. These
stones do not dissolve well in lipid solvents and may be found in the intrahepatic or
extrahepatic bile ducts.



Secondary bile duct stones are found in the bile ducts in association with gallbladder stones,
either having migrated out of the gallbladder or having formed concomitantly in the bile ducts.
Their matrix reflects the composition of gallbladder stones, i.e. predominantly cholesterol in
~80%, and black pigment in ~20% of cases. Black pigment stones are usually idiopathic, but
may be associated with chronic hemolysis or cirrhosis. Bacterial infection is not thought to be
important in the pathogenesis of either type of secondary stones.

Can I play devil's advocate here?

If some of us are forming stones at such an alarming rate, then how is it that all those people who don't do flushes never just burst? Is it just a coincidence that those who DO flush (a minim mote of us), are porducing stones, while those who don't flush, don't? If you get full, do you stop producing stones? Real question here; it is possible that some of these stones are not actually originating in the liver, but are somehow formed as a direct result of the concoctions we make in the flushing recipie?

I flush twice a year, always have stones. Don't think it'll ever end. Just something I do to wring out the liver. Diet is more critical in my mind.

Would love to see more Science behind the program.

Cheers.

Hi Scott,

Have you tried stopping the flushes for a few weeks to see if any symptoms return?
Maybe the "stones" are the digested olive oil. If you are takig psyillium husk it can look weird
in the stool. (Put some in a glass of water overnight to see what happens.)

Ron