Waging Peace by Extending Respect 
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Other Curezone threads have mentioned the taking of Palestinian Land. The disrespect of Oppression and Tyranny can eminate from Democratically elected governments. A Despot is not required for Despostism to occur.
On other Bulletin Boards, many disrespectful actions by Palestinians and Israelis are listed. Is there a Forum to suggest attenuations or lessening of disrespectful acts between the parties?
The gravity of the situation is that creation of neuclear fallout is relatively readily available to all parties. Where is the Forum that can encourage the parties to adopt policies that lead to respect and Prosperity? Where is the forum sugggesting mutual actions toward mutual respect among the parties?
The Palestinians and Israelies have many crafty and powerful champions. The Western Rescuers are busy building defenses and camera survelance systems against the Muslim Militant Rescuers of the Palestininans. Western emphasis is on defense, not building the respect that can lead to peace. I suggest that the West cannot build adequate defenses, and should seriously pursue policies of building respect and trust. There is much emphasis on retaliation, but Killing does not build faith in the Rule of Law, but erodes the basis for faith.
Cowboy American Presidents are going to keep horsing around and eventually get the U.S. Nuked.
Israel insists on the stopping of suicide bombers. Are there steps that can be taken in addition to giving the Palestinians back the land? How can the feelings between Arabs and Jews be re-constructed on pillars of trust?
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MoreThis is a reply to # 396,578I dont think its in our hands ! I think the powers that be want the US nuked!! Instilling terror is this adminstrations objective ! I believe 911 and all these bombings are programmed to instill fear and hatred and its working ! I agree we can stop some people from hating each other here on this forum but the media is an all to powerful force in the fact that people believe what it says! I know very intelligent people who have now become disgusted with Terrorism and are ready for more Homeland security dna IDs and arresting and incarcerating or shooting down in the streets any one the government chooses to single out! Duck and Cover!
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- The real story Meira
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This is a reply to # 396,579Let me tell you something about Arabs. They do not negotiate like "western" people. They only understand power. If you are weak, you can be taken advantage of. If you are strong, you are to be admired. In "western" negotiations people comprimise--everyone gives a little for the sake of solving the problem. As soon as you give in a little, the Arabs see it as a sign of weakness and keep on going, demanding even more.
How do I know all this? I live in Israel, in the Western Bank with Hevron the view from my living room window. When Israel was strong, there was peace. Both sides lived their lives. Realistically, there will never be peace to the point where Jews and Arabs live together. This is a "war" that has been going on since biblical times, and no one now a days is going to solve it. The goal, is to live without bloodshed on either side. To be able to travel with out fear.
When ever Israel wanted to retaliate againse an Arab attack, the US would pressure us not to. My guess, is that Bush is concerned about his oil stocks. The Arabs see that their terror attacks are working, and they see weakness from Israel and the US. So they continue, feeling ever stronger. The result? A steady increase of attacks in Israel and 9-11.
Trading land for peace will not work for the same reason. As soon as Israel gives over land, the Arabs see weakness and will demand more.
Don't believe me, look at history.
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This is a reply to # 396,580Perfect example of what I'm talking about! See how much easier it is to hate then to love!- Re: The real story #69242
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This is a reply to # 396,581Thats exactly the truth, one cousin is blaming the other, we all know that does not work. It is not at that low level. Jews are arab too. There are Arab Israelis so then where does that leave one then?
Its all a higher plane, its not the Jews nor the Arabs to blame, but individual people who are either on the side of Evil by way of ignorance or brainwashing, or people on the side of Goodness who are defending themselves against unjust barbaric and inhumane punishment.
Go beyond the box and stop living in hate.- Re: The real story Meira
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This is a reply to # 396,582I am not living in hate, I am living in reality. The Israelis would be happy to live in peace with the Arabs, it is the Arabs that don't want to.
Last year I was under my dining room table with my three children while my husband crawled to get his M-16. A terrorist has come into our settlement, killed my neighbor and was starting on our house. We lived in a trailer house, common to the settlements. A M-16 bullet--which the terrorist had--goes not only through the wall, but through all in interior walls and on to the next trailer. Thank God, we made it through unharmed, unlike my neighbor or the 16 month old baby of their guests. Both killed.
When ever there is a terrorist attack, the Arabs celebrate. There are parties and fireworks all night long. I see them. The kids hang up pictures of the terrorist on their walls. The families receive a ton of money from various Arab organizations.
It is not us that live in hate, but them. The hate us. There leaders preach it. They teach it to their kids. There math books have question like, "if you have 20 Jews, and you kill 10, how many do you have left to kill?" They brainwash their kids into worshiping suicide bombers. At costume parties the kids dress up as suicide bombers. And the list goes on and on.
All I am trying to do is live my life and raise my children. If the US was hit every week with terror attacks like we are--imagine 911 every month. How much would you be preaching "love your neighbors". Would you go the group of people that killed you neighbors child, or even your own child, and tell them that we all need to live in peace and harmony? Wake up to reality. They don't want to. They have their goals, as old as their religion, and nothing is going to stop them. They are just waiting for the right time--whem others are weak. I live in the real world. With real problems. Not like in America where people are worried about what car to buy.
Are where did you get the "Jews are Arabs" thing?- Celebrating Attacks Logger
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This is a reply to # 396,583Dear Meira,
Thank you for your thoughtful post.
The Islamic Militant attacks are made, supported and celebrated from a feeling of inferiority. If there were effective merchant trade relations between Israelies and Palestinians, there would be a better chance for respect.
Israelies are taught that they are the chosen people, and that since 6 Million died in Germany, that the Israelis have a perfect right to disrespect any Arab that comes along.
Who started the disresepectis less important than what can be done now to reduce reasons for resentment. Celebration of attacks on Israelis is a sign of a shallow life. How can the lives of Militant Muslims be enriched? The fear of the Israelis is that if the Arabs become more prosperous, then they will build more bombs.
What are the steps to building a better understanding and cooperation?
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This is a reply to # 396,583Dear Meira
A Central Point to my thesis is that the Muslims in Southern Lebananon have become less militant, and have turned more toward activies aimed toward prosperity. My main theory is:
For Israel:
1. Find ways to reduce disrespect to Palestinians/Muslims.
2. Find less offensive ways to netralize support structures for Terrorists, as an alternatives to helcipter gun ships. Such as arrests
3. Actively work to decrease beating of Palestinians by Hooded Israeli Police.
4. Gain confidence in altertnatives to Prison that rely on the proserity teachings of the Koran.
Israel's complaints against Palestinians/Muslims:
1. Espouse the Death of Jews.
2. Teach children that Suicide Bombers are good.
3. Celebrate suicide Attacks on Israel and the West.
4. Give finacial aid and comfort to families of the suicide bombers.
5. Encourage the birthing of more children to participate in Jihad.
6. Preach Jihad and support for Jihad in Muslim Mosques.
All these grievances are born from a feeling of inferiority. If Israel will reduce ateh disrespect to the Palestinians, the fuel for the israelis grievances will fade. By conducting actions against Palestinians in the name of retribution or retaliation or strenght, the resentment of the Palestinians and militant muslims is raised.
Palestinian's Complaints against Israel, Jews and the West:
These complaints are not as precise as would be ideal for negotiating.
1. Taking Palestininan Land
2. Blocking access to Islamic Holy sites.
3. Creating more nuisance than necessary for Jews to visit Jewish Holy sites.
4. Tearing down, or bulldozong, houses in suspected Militant areas.
5. Conducting Helicopter Gunship raids on suspected terrorists.
6. Inflicting civilian casualties, including children, during Israeli raids on suspected terrorists.
7. Keeping suspected Muslim Terrorists in prison, without any opportuinity for rheabilitation.
8. Failure to develop any rehabilitative model for terrorists or terrorist supporters, along the model of Propserity Principles in the Koran.
If Israel does not work to decrease hostile feelings from the Palestininans, and other Muslim organizations, the West will be faced wtih an unnecessary enemy.
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This is a reply to # 396,589They hate us much more than we hate them.
You have it so twisted. You go the victims, we are after all the ones being attacked on a daily basis, and tell them to ease up on their attackers. If they stopped the attacks, Israel would stop fighting back. Israel does not start anything, but we certainly have the right to protect ourselves.
You complain that we defend ourselves. Look at what America did in Afganistan. They flattened whole village looking for a terrorist. That is something we never did. - Re: Hate Logger
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This is a reply to # 396,589Dear Meira,
The peace plan is flawed. The Palestinians won't admit that they are offended by Israeli disrespect. Once the Land is returend to the Palestinians, other issues are supposed to fall into place. I suggest ther other issues need to be addressed.
The US is antagonizing the Militant Muslims by supporting Israel Carte Blance. W. Bush will not admit his mistake for changing to Hands Off. President Clinton tried to hold back the retaliation by the Isralies.
Israelis face individuals being killed. The US had people killed with burning jet fuel spilled on their office carpets. But the tensions are not reducing. Dirty Nuclear Bombs are easy to make. They won't use Nuclear fallout in Israel because too Many Militant Muslims live close to you. If the West, including Israel, keeps antagonizing Militant Muslims, how long till they create nuclear fallout for the US?
There is a circle of disrespect. The Israeli argument, that their actions are simply reactgions, is not solving the problem. The ractions chosen by he Israelis is not the only possible reaction. But the Israeli reactions are inflmatory.
Many Israelis do not support the giving back the land. There is a great deal of resentment that is not growing smaller.
What are some alternative response that will reduce resentment?
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This is a reply to # 396,589Dear Meira,
In response to 47569 you stated that you place a high reliance upon the words that the Palestinians and Militant Muslims wish all Jews dead. I suggest a large part of the issue is respect and opportunity. It is difficult humans to ask for respect, when Respect should be extended vountarily, if it is deserved.
So there is a Human Semantics foible.
Why MUST Jews retaliate forcefully against Militant Muslims? Why MUST Israeli Police continue to treat Palestinians rudely at checkpoints and administer on the spot beatings? Why can't Israel take the lead in establishing Rehabilitation programs leading to the skills of prosperity for Palestinians as alternative to Israeli jails..
Palestinians feel disrespected, and other Militant Muslims feel there is a cause to be championed. The African-Americans in the US in the 1960's felt disrespected and systematically disadvantaged. Tyrany and oppression to be fought.
We need to find a way to diminish the feeling and appearance of Tyranny.
We need a way to channel and increase prosperity for Palestinians.
There was trouble in the inner cites of the United Stes in the 1960's. "KILL WHITEY" was a popular phrase. There was looting, burning and occasionally a shooting of the White business owners of Black Neighborhood convenience stores.
The response by the U.S. was not to bulldoze their houses. The respons was arrest and investment in programs to assist offenders to become assimilated into the cyhcle of prosperity. "War on Poverty" and efffective Substance Abuse programs and alternatives to prison, turned the corner.
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- Re: The real story- one family #69242
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This is a reply to # 396,583Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese
If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years.
"Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham," says Harry Ostrer, M.D., Director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, an author of the new study by an international team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Israel. "And all have preserved their Middle Eastern genetic roots over 4,000 years," he says.
The researchers analyzed the Y chromosome, which is usually passed unchanged from father to son, of more than 1,000 men worldwide. Throughout human history, alterations have occurred in the sequence of chemical bases that make up the DNA in this so-called male chromosome, leaving variations that can be pinpointed with modern genetic techniques. Related populations carry the same specific variations. In this way, scientists can track descendants of large populations and determine their common ancestors.
Specific regions of the Y chromosome were analyzed in 1,371 men from 29 worldwide populations, including Jews and non-Jews from the Middle East, North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and Europe.
The study, published in the May 9 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, and these signatures diverged significantly from non-Jewish men outside of this region. Consequently, Jews and Arabs share a common ancestor and are more closely related to one another than to non-Jews from other areas of the world.
The study also revealed that despite the complex history of Jewish migration in the Diaspora (the time since 556 B.C. when Jews migrated out of Palestine), Jewish communities have generally not intermixed with non-Jewish populations. If they had, then Jewish men from different regions of the world would not share the same genetic signatures in their Y chromosome.
"Because ancient Jewish law states that Jewish religious affiliation is assigned maternally, our study afforded the opportunity to assess the contribution of non-Jewish men to present-day Jewish genetic diversity," says Michael Hammer, Ph.D., from the University of Arizona, Tucson, who is the lead author of the new study. "It was surprising to see how significant the Middle Eastern genetic signal was in Jewish men from different communities in the Diaspora," he says.
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The authors of this study are: Dr. Ostrer from NYU School of Medicine; Michael F. Hammer, Alan J. Redd, Elizabeth T. Wood, M. Roxane Bonner, Hamdi Jarjanazil, and Tanya Karafet from the University of Arizona, Tucson; Silvana Santachlara-Benerecetti, University of Pavia, Italy; Ariella Oppenheim, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel; Mark A. Jobling, University of Leicester, England; Trefor Jenkins, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa; and Batsheva Bonne-Tamar, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
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- Options for Now Logger
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This is a reply to # 396,582Retaliation is one form of power. Love is a Big power also. It takes real strength to find ways to express Love in the face of adversity. Perhaps we need to find some specific examples of how the temptation to retaliate, can be overcome by the power of Love and Yield steps toward mutual respect.
Humans respect power. The belief that Arabs ONLY respect power creates a roadblock to mutual respect. Many Israelis and Weterners have branded militant Arabs as EVIL and incapable of reasoning.
In Southern Lebanon, many Moslems have followed the Islamic teachings of Propserity, and treating fellow merchants in a fair manner. Southern Lebanon has seen a decline in militant actions over recent years.
Progress toward peace can be made if consideration is extended, particularly where there would be a small cost or small inconvenience.
There was peace before Shrine Mount, which was a deliberate act of disrespect by Israelies against Palestinians. But the beating of Palestians by Israeli police had been getting more common in the years before Shrine Mount. Do Police Beatings create peace? What if an effort was made to stop Israeli Police beatings of Arabs? Suspend a few suspected officers without pay for a few weeks?
How else can respect be increased?- Re: Options for Now Meira
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This is a reply to # 396,585Do Police Beatings create peace?--NO
Do suicide bombers create peace?
Does throwing rocks at my car when I drive down the road create peace?
Does drive by shooting and killing two teenage boys of my town create peace?
Educate your self. Instead of sitting high on your seat and looking down at the people getting killed, telling them to "love one another and it will all be ok", find out who they really are.
They will tell you themselves. Here is a link for you.
http://www.pmw.org.il
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This is a reply to # 396,587Meira,
If the Leaders of the State of Israel adopted the Jewish Law of Divine origin then peace would most likely be accomplished, both sides having equal rights and equal jobs, pay and lives.
But the State is not acting on Divine Law.
Zionism is racism and evil.
Jewish Law is not, but commended.
Thats the problem.
I deeply regret your loss of life and your fear of attacks and you have a right to feel anger towards that entity who is hurting you.Yet I think you made a general statement "Arabs". This is racism. Thats like saying "All Jews, think this way...."
Or all Irish want to kill people in Northern Ireland and think this way....
Most people do not know what it is like to be in a state of war.
I hope you understand, behind closed doors much worse is happening on the other side. They dont have anything, no clean water, no jobs, they are rounded up like rabid animals sent for the slaughter, worse than the holocaust you must hate. Palestinians were NOT the ones responsible for the Holocaust, but yet they are in one now.
Nothing in the Quran says to hurt innocent people.
Suicide actions are strictly forbidden in the religion of Islam, but it looks like the ones are ignorant of this fact and this is a problem.
If you had the land for over 2000 years and a super army comes and wipes you out you'd fight too (defending your house and children) not to be turned into a refugee in your homeland and life and future destroyed forever.
And look you have an M-16, now if a palestinian citizin was caught with one they would arrest him and torture him and brand him a terrorist, his families house would be marked for certain unavoidable destruction by the Army(bombed), then the rest would be homeless and/or jailed as well.
The only solution I can see, I wish the rest of the remaining palestinians would migrate (exodus) to a safer land. I dont see it getting better I see it getting worse. Why doesnt Israel spend the money to just relocate them.
I have read they are so poor they are unable to leave.
I wish something can be done about this.
Take care
God bless
- Re: Options for Now Meira
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This is a reply to # 396,590You are so misimformed I don't know where to begin.
Lets take it piece by piece
You wrote:
"If the Leaders of the State of Israel adopted the Jewish Law of Divine origin then peace would most likely be accomplished, both sides having equal rights and equal jobs, pay and lives."
There are no laws against the palestinians going to study, holding jobs, etc. Don't forget, they have representitived in the government--equal to their percentage of population. All Israel's citizens have the right to vote. They hold themselves back sometimes. Most of the women are very opressed. There is a curse in Arabic, "may you come back as an Arab women!" Many of them do not allow their girls to study beyond what is legally required by the state. They have the same right as all Israeli citizens. In Israel, everyone gets a monthly payment based on the number of children they have. Most of these families have 12 or more children. They don't have to work to live the life style they have--they get enough money from the state.
Now, the palestinians that live in Palestinian controlled areas--non residence of the state of Israel--have a completely different life. Their leaders (Arafat for example) don't support their citizens. These are the people that are starving, out of work, have poor schools, etc. Why? Because the leaders take all the money. Do you have any idea how many billions Arafat had? WHile his people were dieing of starvation. Not the ones living in Israel. When Israel started to build the wall to seperate the main land from the territories, all the Arabs with Israeli citizenship that would end up on the Palestinian side moved to the Israeli side. If we are so bad to them why did they move? Because life with us is much better. As citizens of the state of Israel, all their need are taken care of.
Arafat kept his people in poverty so that he could appeal to the international community for more money (which would go to his pocket), and other aid. And to make Israel look bad.
you wrote:
"But the State is not acting on Divine Law.
Zionism is racism and evil.
Jewish Law is not, but commended."
If there are laws that are racist in this country it is most likely against the Jews. An arab is allowed to live in Jewish towns--no law against that. But it is not allowed for a Jew to move to an Arab town. Becided the fact that it is not allowed, the Jew would be killed before he could even move in. And, the Arab that sold him the house would also be killed. That is their "law".
you wrote:
"I deeply regret your loss of life and your fear of attacks and you have a right to feel anger towards that entity who is hurting you.Yet I think you made a general statement "Arabs". This is racism. Thats like saying "All Jews, think this way...."
Or all Irish want to kill people in Northern Ireland and think this way...."
Perhaps it is recist to say "Arabs". You are right that it is not all Arabs. But I am afraid that it is most of them. Perhaps most of them would not do anything dirrectly, but they certainly support it. As individual people, they are not all bad. I infact have been helped several times by Arabs. But as "a people", they want all of us dead. They don't want land. The Arabs of the world have so much money and land, they could all be relocated if they wanted to be. They preach over and over again, they they want to kill all the Jews. That is their goal.
you wrote:
"I hope you understand, behind closed doors much worse is happening on the other side. They dont have anything, no clean water, no jobs, they are rounded up like rabid animals sent for the slaughter, worse than the holocaust you must hate. Palestinians were NOT the ones responsible for the Holocaust, but yet they are in one now."
Clean water. My town gets its water from the same pipes the Arab towns get their water from. The people that live by themselves in the middle of a field, have water tanks provided for them. Thank God, everyone in this country has water. About the Arabs in the Palestinian controlled areas, I don't know. It would not surprise me if they were not provided with water all the time. Their leaders don't care about them.
Who rounds them up like animals for slaughter? The army only "rounds up" terrorists. Which I think is not only allowed, but a states obligation to its citizens. A state has an obligation, not just a right, to protect its citizens.
you wrote:
"Nothing in the Quran says to hurt innocent people.
Suicide actions are strictly forbidden in the religion of Islam, but it looks like the ones are ignorant of this fact and this is a problem."
But you see, Jews are not innocent people in the eyes of Islam--so there for, they are to be killed.
Strictly forbidden? The suicide bombers are worshipped for their actions. Their families are payed large sums of money. They themselves get 70 virgin brides when they get to heaven. Tell me, why does the palestinian flag have a picture of an M-16 in the middle of it? Peace loving people?
you wrote:
"If you had the land for over 2000 years and a super army comes and wipes you out you'd fight too (defending your house and children) not to be turned into a refugee in your homeland and life and future destroyed forever."
2000 years ago was when the Jews lived in Israel. When the Jews came back, I believe in the late 1800's, there was hardly any people here--Arab or otherwise. Mark Twain wrote that,"Israel is a barren waste land". It is only after the Jews started to build up the contry that the Arabs started to come, too. England was in powed of the coutry, and decided to make a Jewish state. If you want to complain, go the English--they always take what is not theirs to start with.
Refugees--only in the Palestinian controlled areas. None that are Israeli citizens.
you wrote:
"And look you have an M-16, now if a palestinian citizin was caught with one they would arrest him and torture him and brand him a terrorist, his families house would be marked for certain unavoidable destruction by the Army(bombed), then the rest would be homeless and/or jailed as well."
Only someone that has been throught he army can have a weapon. This country has gotten to the point that we need them for protection, because if the Arab had an M-16, he would commit terrorist acts against us. And , all those things are barely done to actual terrorists, not if someone is caught with a gun.
you wrote:
"The only solution I can see, I wish the rest of the remaining palestinians would migrate (exodus) to a safer land. I dont see it getting better I see it getting worse. Why doesnt Israel spend the money to just relocate them.
I have read they are so poor they are unable to leave."
Finely you say something right! That would solve all the problems. There was a Rabbi, Kahana, that started a political party with that very platform. He said, lets move all the Arabs out. There are many Arab countries, with huge lands. Pay each of them a sum of money and help them to relocate. His party was outlawed as being a racist, terrorist party.
The Arabs don't want to move out. They want to take us over, and kill all of us.
"I wish something can be done about this."
So do I.
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This is a reply to # 396,591Meira,
Dear sister, because you actually are a sister, a daughter of Adam.
Why must we fight? Why must the Children of Israel fight against the Children of Adam, we are one family, share one earth, warmed by the same sun, drink of the same water, are fed and brougth to life by the same Creator.
Islam does not call for hate against the Jews. Nay, rather the Quran mentions Moses more than any other prophet, much more than Mohamed even so.
If you can please visit this website ( below ). If it is that you have been helped "several times by individual Arabs" then doesnt that say something to you.????
Ask yourself how many times have you gone out of your way to help Arabs? Who feel more scared than you, as you have a super power by your side, they do not, but are targets of that super power.
They are in a holocaust right now. If you dont believe me, take a trip to Jenin, or Ramallah, or any village in the old rundown slums (Arab Quarter)
Take a trip and see how they live. They are hunted down and raided daily. Air raids, snipers, curfews, roundups, detained, there are non stop road blocks, strip searches at checkpoints, the water they get is the waste water ( not purified ) after the settlements flush their toilets. They dont want all Jews dead, they want to live without the Army in thier lives. They want to be free that is all. If They say Jews, they mean the ones who are harming them who do not act by Jewish Law.
Please visit this site to hear other Jews who have taken the time to study Islam without bias.
Also I cant believe everyone has not helped the Palestinians organize a mass Exodus.
I wish all the Arab nations would support a global effort based on sponsorship to move out the people in harms way. I see a bad future and can not see the benefit of staying in a place where there is nothing but war and tears.
Its time for them to get out! So many have left and feel sad about their lost land, but they saw there was no reason to stay when looking at the situation. I dont understand why other arab countries dont organise, talk to Israels leaders and plan this exodus. There are many other countries they can move to. This is my last post on this issue, Meira take care and think of me when you break your bread ( challah ) peace to you- everyone really just wants peace. I wish you the best.
jewsforallah.org
Take care
God bless and protect
- Last responce to the last responce Meira
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This is a reply to # 396,593We will not change each others minds--I think that is clear. Visit Jenin? Are you kidding, I will be killed in 2 seconds. And no one drinks toilet water.
Move all the Arabs out would be a great solution, but they don't want it. It was offered a few times to them, they don't want it. Where would their leaders get money from if all their people were "free"? They live off of people like you who think that they are soo poor because of Israel--they live the life their leaders (like Arafat) give them. Ask them where all the money goes. All the money meant for food and medicine. It goes to their pockets--fact!
As for raids, etc. When there is peace, there are no raids. Israel only responds, it does not start. I don't understand why you don't understand this. You are saying that it is ok for them to do what ever they want to do, and the state of Israel is suppose to let them. In America, are poor people excempt from the law? Are they allowed to kill people at will, and steal what ever they would like?
Another fact--while all you people sit in you homes reading about the situation, I live it. Now, you tell me--who is more qualified?- If they would only leave you alone? #32384
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This is a reply to # 396,597you say,
"And no one drinks toilet water. (charming - why is that?)
Move all the Arabs out would be a great solution." (final solution?)
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"60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements."
"0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000."
"No Israelis are being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 8,043 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel."
"Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none."
"The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s."
"22 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 686 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000."
source:
ifamericansknew.org
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The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda
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Israel's terrorism
The Israeli Spy Ring -
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring
Israel Attacks USS Liberty
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty
CONFESSIONS OF AN EX-MOSSAD AGENT
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deception.html
The Death of Peace Activist Rachel Corrie
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/corrie
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Examples of hate speech
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
and many more
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/palestinians
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The settlements are the occupation
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Beyond land and contiguity, settlements are meant to steal Palestinian water: from the very beginning, the settlements were located in strategic sites above aquifers. At present, Israel uses about 80% of the water of the Territories, leaving just 20% to their Palestinian inhabitants. Pictures of thirsty Palestinians and drained olive trees next to Jewish settlers indulging in swimming pools are well-known; but only this week did Israel’s comptroller expose the fact that the national water company had never imposed excess-use charges on the settlers, estimated at $18 million."
http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h052601.html
and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on
Jews Against Zionism - Re: Last response to the last respon... Chazz
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This is a reply to # 396,597Qualified in what way! All the things you have talked about are as much anti isrealy as they are anti muslum. The powers that be have you both oppressed and of course utterly and unshakebly devided! The lower classes from both sides are manipulated controlled and taught to hate thier neighbor because nothing gives more power to the elite then pitting nieghbor againt nieghbor! And as long as the attitude of them against us and the devisions amongst cultures is perpetuated the killing will go on! Most realise it is the leadership of both isreal and palistine(and those who control them) who are the real criminals! The Isreales and Muslums both need to realise this and stop doing the bidding of the unscrupulous elites!
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This is a reply to # 396,580Hezbollah leader said to be hiding in Iranian Embassy
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 28, 2006
"Intelligence reports indicate the leader of Hezbollah is hiding in a foreign mission in Beirut, possibly the Iranian Embassy, according to U.S. and Israeli officials. "
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060728-123022-5852r.htm
One can easily see where this is going.
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