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I have just found some extremely good articles to dispel the myths & lies surrounding Colloidal Silver . Vairagi had recently requested this kind information to be added to our resource file:
Subjects discussed:
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Optimum Particle Size
Colloidal Generator Types
Unified Theory of Colloidal Silver
Why A Strong Tyndall Effect Is Bad
The Placebo Effect
Colloidal Silver Chemistry
How Light Affects Ionic Silver
Ionic vs Metallic Colloidal Silver
Top 10 Colloidal Silver Myths
The Misunderstood TDS Meter
Silver Enhances Antibiotic Activity
Sublingual Absorption of Silver
See articles here:
http://www.silvertronstore.com/Article-Index_b_9.html
I have posted these articles in our "Colloidal Silver Resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfnslQKQDd3i3ZK5B6jnW2cPv_0QnCTNstWF5trl_hc/edit#
Also I have found my new favorite CS Generator for when I finally buy a generator, details added to our Silver Resources. This looks like my new Top Choice.
The Silvertron Elite:
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Video Demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOKnp9Y54Ls
Silvertron Elite - 1 cup to 4 Litres fully adjustable digital readout:
Power 117vac to 9v
Automatic Shutoff & fully adjustable from 20ppm to 320ppm
* Ma (current): 1 to 15 in 1 mA steps allows optimum current for size of the positive electrode (anode).
* Ppm: 20, 30, 40, 80, 100, 160, 240, 320
* Water Amt: 1 Cup, 1 Pint, 1 Pint Mason Jar, 1 Qt, 1 Qt Mason Jar, 2 Qt, 1 Gal, 250 ml, 500 ml, 1 L, 2 L, 4 L.
* Alert Tone: Off, Short, Long
* Digital Readout with memory holds last settings
* Details & Reviews - Link
http://www.silvertronstore.com/SilverTron-Elite-Automatic-Colloidal-Silver-Generator_p_12.html
* Silver wire 12 guage x 6” or optional 1 oz silver bars
http://www.silvertronstore.com/
Forum - https://www.cgcsforum.com/
Articles Index: http://www.silvertronstore.com/blog.asp ( Excellent )
Does anyone have experience with the Silvertron Elite?
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,434
Colloidal Silver Articles for the TRUTH
Grizz, what truth would that be??
All I read was an opinion from somebody that makes CS generators.
No sources, authored by one individuals for the "News", whatever that is.
On top of that, all the links to the company aren't working.
Highly suspect. I would advise believing it being the "truth" until he posts some credible sources that can prove what he has said as fact.
The only thing he gets credit is that he states that in vitro data is different that what actually happens within the body.
Nobody that I have read has stated that Ionic silver causes agryia. In fact it has been reported that the process of making the CS , and the amount consumed were the primary factors for agryia.
- Re: Colloidal Silver Articles for th... grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,439"all the links to the company aren't working"
I just tested all the links that I provided in my message, and they all work just fine. Which links do not work?
Also, no two "Experts" an agree on vital topics. So at best the links I provided are just another expert's view.
His articles make a lot of sense to me.
I also LOVE all the features of their Silvertron Elite generator.
See this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOKnp9Y54Ls
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,445
I just tested all the links that I provided in my message, and they all work just fine. Which links do not work?
The links on the home page where you got that information.
His articles make a lot of sense to me.
I also LOVE all the features of their Silvertron Elite generator.If you think so that's all that counts, but it is like night and day when presented as the "truth", in capital letters no less.
I have to many years of killing viruses, bacteria, infections, etc. , and I still haven't gotten agryia, so I had to have my say.
I hope you have good luck with your generator.
IC
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- The Silver Water Debate Continues vairagi
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This is a reply to # 2,330,434
Kinda an old saw Griz: Lots of ideas and opinions which conflict. So ultimately your CS site may provoke a cutting thru the opinions with facts, cause you will have so many of both there.
You've installed a lot of info for those looking to compare makers and know more about Silver and it's benefits, but:
I went to the Siverton site, read some of the information and was pretty surprized you would think that this is a reliable CS site. The author writes, not of one side of a differing opinion in CS's debatable topics, but an unresearched diatribe (or gathered from other same such lay sources) which is in disagreement with basic published research on CS. His claims sound more like excuses for his machines abilities then verified truth about which style CS is most efficacious.
As the Silverton site says, theres a lot of disinformation about CS on the internet, and from my perusal the Silverton site is full of it.
Rebuttle to Silverton's statement that large (20nm) silver particles are safe and effective and smaller .8 nm sized silver particels are toxic, along with a short description of why small particled ionic silver safley bypass the gastric environment:This link is full of pertinent important dissected information and an indictment of not only missleading and perverted (for who's benifit we ask) institutional research but also the main stream and alternative media's powerull and immediate role in influencing public opinion by promoting and propagandizing fallacies on sensitive to the powers at be subjects.
It may be insignificant in the real picture, so Ill wait to hear about your experiences with that maker's CS when you get it, and chalk up the rest to how different our motivated perceptions can be and how personal preferences and needs influence us to choose what it is we believe in.
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It continues to suprize me how people acting as if experts in the Silver Water field erroneously use and mismatch meanings. Describing solution and molecular states counter to commonly held definitions about ions, coloids or solutions. Words that need not play into the charged atmosphere of the real debate on efficacy. So it seems that they are either uninformed or unresearched as to the definitions of the simple terms, or are copying someone else's writings wout any fact checking. - Beware the signs... Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,330,434I would be the first to admit that this particular CS generator may be one of the most advanced devices this side of the home-brewers market.
That said, and unfortunately, the product developer has proven to be less than reputable over the years by making appearances in the CureZone Forums to attack other sellers products or claims to laboratory methods and research. Only to leave in frustration after being called out for what I'd consider call unethical behavior.
That said, having gleaned through some of the information, I found several references pertaining to the chemistry methods and applied formulae that appear to be misappropriated. ie, the proposed chemical reduction of silver compound(ionic) solutions, implies that the admission of a reducing agent will promote the change from ionic to elemental particulate(aka. true Colloidal Silver ). To which I'd is easily verified with the addition of regular table salt - so as to observe the result
Likewise, I also found other inconsistencies pertaining to the applied electrochemistry. Some of which were brought up by members in the sellers own forums only to be chastised or banned(removing entire threads/posts) for what appears to be disagreeing with the Author in spite of the provided evidence.
Whatever the case, I'd urge caution with such authoritarian personalities types, particularly in cases where this would involve the substitution of scientific research with one's own views.
PS. bullying is commonplace behavior in response to that which contradicts ones own interests. - Re: Colloidal Silver Articles for th... grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,434OK, Silvertron is shot down.
Can we all agree that Steve Barwick is a trusted author of accurate files ?
What about this file? Can we all agree that this is an accurate authority ?
http://www.truecolloidalsilverfacts.com/
I like Steve's research in his testimonials files. Excellent work. I consider him to be a leading expert.
If y'all don't like steve, then please give me a better source of accurate information.
Many thanks,
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,527I personally like Steve Barwick's work. I think he does a very good job at presenting CS in a fair and balanced way.- Re: Steve Barwick grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,529Excellent, does everyone agree with Esstee?
If so, then we have fixed one of my last problems with our " Colloidal Silver Resources File"
If anyone has more suggestions for this file, please do speak up.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfnslQKQDd3i3ZK5B6jnW2cPv_0QnCTNstWF5trl_hc/edit#
Revisions are on going.
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,534From what I have read his information seems okay although I am not that knowledgeable in CS.
However his product I dislike because of the air bubbles and the open top nature of the generation method.
The Silvertron Elite looks fairly decent but it's expensive and requires additional equipment such as stirrer. I do not like the sound of the things that take place on the forum because that is not a good sign IMO.- Re: Steve Barwick grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,559I have reviews of most of the popular generators here to make it easier to pick one that you like. See this file:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfnslQKQDd3i3ZK5B6jnW2cPv_0QnCTNstWF5trl_hc/edit#
Are there any other generators that I have not refiewed yet?
Best to you,
Grizz- Re: Steve Barwick BrightSideOfLife
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This is a reply to # 2,330,567Yes, I came across one that is not on that list. However ATM it is not available. It was recently on sale on eBay, both .com and .co.uk where I found it. The listing said that the LED signal indicators where being changed in late July from Amber to Red so it looks like he is making changes. I am not sure whether he got fed up building them. The price was pretty decent and it looked like a fairly decent generator with quite a low current possible. The Current could be varied,the magnetic stirrer could be adjusted and the reverse polarity rate can also be adjusted. For the money it seems fairly decent. However I wish that he would leave off the extras because I doubt that many actually need them. By that I mean the TDS meter and jar.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Colloidal-Silver-Generator-Reverse-Polarity-Constant-Current-Complete-Kit-w-Mag-/201642796408?nma=true&si=FKMPHalNoedxKwrkCeqRcIa0aBU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
He seems to list them for a few days and then they become unavailable so it looks like he is having trouble building them fast enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdbjq_eYFuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF03i6_13tE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZTBSAalh8U
- Re: Steve Barwick grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,580Very nice find, my friend.
You get a lot for your money. I'm sure he will have to raise prices to stay in business.
I like it, and he is honest about naming it.
It is actually an Ionic Generator, and he touched a little bit on how to convert his ionic silver into Colloidal Silver when he said to add kayo syrup to his silver.
Everyone else lies about their generator, calling them colloidal generators, when they are actually ionic generators.
There are several procedures to convert ionic into silver particle Colloidal Silver that I am just now getting into.
This file helps to explain how to determine what your silver solution actually is:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/trying-to-eat-bathe-and-breathe-something-that-wont-kill-me/solving-the-mystery-of-the-3-types-of-colloidal-silver/629743620398212/
I'll add your discovery to my file,
Grizz- Re: Steve Barwick BrightSideOfLife
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This is a reply to # 2,330,586Hi Grizz,
I am interested in methods to convert ionic silver into silver particles if you would share them. I need to destroy an infection in my stomach so ionic silver is not ideal and therefore if I could convert the ionic silver into more particle silver then that should prove more effective.
MesoSilver is so damn expensive and I would need to import it. I can get ionic silver from within the UK which will cost much less but it will not have the quantity of silver particles as MesoSilver unless I can convert the ionic silver to silver particles.
http://www.colloidalsilveruk.com/home/4580077271
- Re: Ionic to elemental(nanoparticles... Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,330,619To my knowledge, there are two ways to do this;
1. Create an elemental microparticle solution using an HVAC(high voltage AC) process. Which works out in some ways to be very similar to the DC process in that two electrodes are used. With the notable exception of the structural differences; charge, dispersion properties, size etc.
This process involves the use of high voltage and some rather challenging conditions that would not likely appeal to many DYI'ers. To which I'd add, the costs are usually much higher than with LVDC processes due to the added measures to control heat and ensure safety.
2. Using an LVDC(low voltage DC) process method, and convert the silver ions into elemental particles during processing.
This method is far simpler(and safer) than with HVAC and has become the most common method of producing CS at home today. I'd also add that while both methods require investing in equipment, that the LVDC method has the advantage of being a simpler more cost effective method for DIY'ers
That said, the LVDC process offers the unique advantage of controlling the ratio of ionic to elemental silver during production.
However, and I might add, there is always the possibility of creating your own encapsulated Colloidal Silver solution in hopes of treating your condition. Furthermore, I'd add that this would not require more than a simple DC circuit(none inverting), and a stirrer along with a few pieces of inexpensive lab glass(beakers, test tubes etc). After which, you could add an encapsulating agent to run some trials with afterward.
- hope this helps
PS. in order to make things easier on yourself, I'd recommend assembling a small scale setup(no more than 250ml at a time). This way, you could get familiar with the process without breaking the bank, as well as keeping things manageable while you familiarizing yourself with the process. - Re: Steve Barwick grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,619There are 2 methods that I am aware of so far. I've just started researching this question this week, so more is coming in weeks ahead, so watch my file Colloidal Silver Resources for more:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfnslQKQDd3i3ZK5B6jnW2cPv_0QnCTNstWF5trl_hc/edit#
1) The Esstee Method of reducing ionic silver:
Make your own CS & save a TON of money by Estee
1. Take "any" CS generator and brew a 10ppm batch of ionic Silver.
2. Take said solution, bring to a boil for 15mins in a glass beaker (NOT metal).
3. Enjoy the savings.
4. Chemical reduction means reducing silver oxides into silver: 2Ag2O –> 4Ag + O2 (silver particles)
The solution made using this method is far and away better than any packaged product
And the effects of (boiling) this particular transformation is what is known as chemical reduction. That is the spontaneous reaction reducing silver oxides into silver: 2Ag2O –> 4Ag + O2 (silver particles)
5. With respect to particle size and efficiency, I'd add that we have every reason to believe that a properly made heat reduced Colloidal Silver solution would be every bit, if not better, than any of the products such as; Mesosilver and/or Utopia-Silver
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2266016#i
Heating the Liquid Notes
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2259227#i
Rapid cooling //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2255693#i
Chemical Procedures to Reduce Ionic Silver.
2) The Chemical Method of reducing ionic silver
For now, the best I have found is documented here:
https://www.cgcsforum.com/Manuals/SilverTronEliteV2UsersGuide.pdf
* Make your ionic silver using the electrolyte
* Then add the reducing agent to your ionic silver
I will be adding more chemical methods in the weeks ahead.
Does anyone else have a nice file for chemically reducing ionic silver?
PS) Today's Revelation: ALL of the home generators that I have reviewed produce Ionic Silver , NOT Colloidal Silver .
Hope this helps,
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,586Unfortunately I waited for too long and he has raised his prices just like you said grizz and how he has REALLY raised his prices. He has more than doubled the price! I think that he seriously overestimates the value. It now sells for $645 in the UK 8-( It would cost me £500 to import that which is not going to happen, not this millennium. That is up from just above the £200 mark a few weeks back. That makes it one of the most if not THE most expensive home CS generators available. I do not see him selling many at that price. He will have to re-price it before he can sell any more at any where near to that kind of price IMO.
I do not think it is worth that much and it looks like it is only an updated version of the free DIY version that I linked to with an adjustable current and amperage display the only additions.
I do need to find something though because I have been fighting a stomach infection and I have had some progress but no where near to complete ATM. Poor tools are not helping. I have been using Elemental Silver, a reduced form of ionic silver with a claimed 80-85 particulate silver which has been having fairly good results on one biofilm, the largest on the right of my stomach. It is mostly beaten except for a tiny part which is still unresolved. My iris which did show quite a big black mark in the right stomach is now showing a discoloured blue which I presume might be the result of all the waste products which were entering the tissues. There still is about 1 fibre of black where the remaining biofilm exists. I do notice a sensation in my stomach when I take Elemental silver particles which lasts for some hours. I do also have some ionic silver which has had absolutely zero effect on both a mouth infection and the stomach infection. No sensations in the stomach and no effect on the biggest biofilm or the other 4 biofilms. Although so far the elemental silver particles has not had any effect on those either. I did try H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) which did not help. I have added distilled water which helps a bit.
Therefore overall some progress but not enough until I am free of it.
I must say that with my experiences so far I am not a great believer in Ionic silver and the claims that I have read about it. The reduced elemental particle silver is probably not that high quality and the particle sizes are probably not as small as they could be which is most likely not helping progress. It's getting there but not fast enough. I do not want them adapting in any way. They have live for far too long and my health has suffered because of them. I feel like I have been treading water for the past 30+ years.- Re: Steve Barwick grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,335,558Seriously,
If I were you I would build my own generator to make a quality Ionic Silver generator.
See details in my file on generators, Make Your Own.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E0JU4pU9sjNc91_4iZ5oThNsr6b9LkqtnU0X9MsavJg/edit#
If you can't order current limiting diodes (2 milliamp) then just put a potentiometer in series with your anode to limit current to 2 milliamps and use any old 24 to 36 volt power supply.
If you insist on reducing ionic to perticle, the instructions are in that file also.
Particle silver being superior to ionic silver because of stomach acid is a bunch of BULL. Don't believe a word of this BS. I have detailed the facts in "Truths & Lies about Colloidal Silver " in this file:
http://tinyurl.com/colloidal-silver-resources
Read about the Metalloprotein used to carry ionic silver through the stomach & digestive system. The only effective silver is Ionic Silver.
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,559The cost of the Silvertron Elite is mere pocket change because I will use it to supply a high quality 20ppm Ionic Silver to my entire family & their pets. Just imagine the savings in Dr bills, vet gills, drugs, hospitals & more. I'll also order their optional 1 oz. silver bar as well as order a magnetic stirrer/hotplate from Amazon.Com:
https://www.amazon.com/b?node=318023011
I love the digital control over essential settings, and that it saves the settings until changed.
Study this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOKnp9Y54Ls
I plan to use the 5 ma current setting at 20ppm.
I'll investigate this generator more before I order. No rush, I still have plenty of Mesosilver left. I might even discover a better generator before I order.
What did you mean by "I do not like the sound of the things that take place on the forum?"
Colloidal Silver has been a VERY confusing & controversial topic because the facts are so distorted, so full of lies & deception that it is impossible for a newbee to understand what is happening. I think that my document, " Colloidal Silver Resources" totally clears up this mess. I am open to any suggestions to improve this document.
Best to you,
Grizz- Re: Steve Barwick ViniIRL
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This is a reply to # 2,330,802Hey grizz, u ever Heard of organixtech generators? They work with a nano-arc systrm for makin Colloidal Silver , seem superior to other generators.
http://www.organixtech.com/pricelist.htm
Thoughts?
- Re: Steve Barwick grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,819Thanks for the link. I never heard of them, and I will add them to my Colloidal Silver Resources Guide.
This appears to be professional grade equipment designed for the advanced user or for someone who wants to sell a lot of Colloidal Silver .
Do you have experience with their equipment? What is your experience?
Grizz- Re: Steve Barwick ViniIRL
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This is a reply to # 2,330,835To be honest I never made Colloidal Silver but I read a lot about it, ive Heard that organixtech generators makes Colloidal Silver close to utopia in terms of quality.
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