Study disproving Hulda Clark 
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Robert Thiel tested to see how much benefit a combinational treatment of nutritional supplements (vitamins, herbs, glandulars) and Clark zapping would have on a group of people presenting symptoms of infectious agents (bacteria, virus, fungi, parasites). The result was that 48% of them had at least a 75% improvement (abatement) of symptoms.
Thiel admitted that “nutritional interventions can, on their own, result in symptomatic improvement when chronic infections are present”."Any positively offset frequency kills all bacteria, viruses and parasites” was a claim made by Hulda Clark in her books but Thiel admitted that “I am not at all certain that zapping actually kills any invading microorganism” and that he didn’t agree with Clarks main hypothesis. But he still maintained a belief that it was a helpful treatment, not because it killed pathogens but because it helped the body in other ways to fight off the infections. Without knowing exactly how, he wrote that the “defense mechanism is somehow stimulated through zapping”.read full study at http://dragonfly75.com/eng/thielstudy.htmlMy comments:This study clearly disproves the belief that Clark Zappers kill microbes and parasites, because if they did then 100% of the patients would of improved 100% instead of 48% improving “substantially”. His belief that it only acts as an immune stimulant was something I’d been saying for a long time before I was aware of this study. Weirdly enough the sellers of Clark Zappers (devices that output a low positive voltage switched on and off at a rate at or around 30,000 hertz) quote this study as proof of their devices efficacy although they stick to Clarks original claims of microbe destruction and Thiel definitely disproves that here.
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This is a reply to # 2,304,940Um no if it killed everything you would dead. Because it would kill the good bacteria/viruses/fungus that keeps you alive.
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This is a reply to # 2,304,968there are no "good" microbes other than good gut bacteria that aids digestion by breaking down food. And there is absolutely no good microbes in the blood, so doing blood electrification kills all the bad microbes in the blood without affecting the blood cells.
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This is a reply to # 2,305,184Lol ya ok there Mr know it all. There are alot more then just probiotics in are gut that keep us healthy.
20 years ago everyone believed the gut had no good or bad bacteria. Look how that turned out.- years ago everyone believed parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,305,207>- 20 years ago everyone believed the gut had no good or bad bacteria
Not exactly, I knew about the value of probiotics back in the 1970's and I definitely was not alone in that knowledge.
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This is a reply to # 2,304,940Gee, you should learn to thoroughly study a report before posting about it. In the study, Dr. Thiel stated that every one in the study had already been through nutritional and natural supplementation but failed to meet their objectives.
In other words, this study showed that the zapper achieved beyond the nutritional and natural supplementation.
Of course, this has already been presented to show that you were incorrectly providing misleading information in previous posts. The question is, Has Beck so affected your memory that you have forgotten or is this another deliberate misrepresentation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQipUi3ySmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zgAIwZ1k6s
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This is a reply to # 2,304,984I didn't say it didn't help. jeesh, put your panties back on.
It wasn't me that said it anyway, I was just rehashing what Thiel said. He proved that Clarks original claims were false but that the device helps out in some unknown way.
If you Clark Zapper people were honest you would show this study as proof that the device helps, and not falsely use it to back up Clarks claim that zapping kills microbes.- Re: study proved that the zapper ach... parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,305,185I have definitively proven time and again that at the least, ParaZapper very quickly and thoroughly kills microbes. I have not been able to achieve the equivalent results using the BBBE.
And, yes, even many regular Clark zappers do kill at least some microbes. There are many variables that influence the extent of the outcome.
As I have stated on a number of occasions, a single frequency is not going to do a very efficient job.
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This is a reply to # 2,305,200the trouble is the microbes, inside the cells, do not get shocked. unfortunately. shit. well, correct me if I am wrong. I hope I misunderstood.
what about waves... and so on?- probably less effective against micr... parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,305,210Zappers are probably less effective against microbes that have invaded cells than they are against ones that have not but that does not mean that they are completely ineffective.
I would be among the first to say the more studies are needed and there are improvements that can be made.
I have been dealing with a strep infection in my throat and sinuses for about a week now.
I find that if I zap, it seems to knock it out for a while but it does come back. Zapping every 12 hours seems to work better and 3 times a day is still better. This is the first strep infection that I recall having since my 30's. I am purely amazed that the zapper can keep it at bay without the help of Antibiotics because strep is so virulent.
Compared to this, stopping Staph Aureus is plain easy.
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This is a reply to # 2,305,221Here's my advice, parazapper--I'm sorry you're hurting.:(
I'm serious--go get goldenseal root. Take 3 or 4 caps of it about 4 hours apart (with hot water or cayenne capsule) until you feel it start to get better (and if it is strep, a bacteria, it will---probably within the day), keeping it up until it's gone plus a day or so.
If that doesn't help it's very likely one of those annoying fungal infections, or maybe both in which case, try one of your fungal type zappers, or olive leaf extract done like the golden seal root. This is where the single focused frequency zapper works great, if you get the strep's frequency.
Or if you want to try the Beck electromagnetic pulser, it will stop a strep in less than hour if my neice and friend are any example. It's truly amazing. Doesn't kill parasites or fungus though.
I hate to see anyone suffer unnecessarily. There's such a wide array of healing modalities, and many have bits and pieces that really work well. :)- Thanks, it is more of an annoyance t... parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,305,224Thanks,
Yes, I have used Goldenseal but not this time.
The infection is more of an annoyance than serious suffering. The first time that I zapped it, it knocked most of it out and it has not been so bad since then but yes, it does keep trying to come back.
I also gargled with warm salt water and the first time it really burned ( one tell tale sign ) but it has not bothered me as much since.
So I am functioning, just not at my best.
BTW, for those who care, I have been having to travel almost every day, taking my wife to the hospital for tests, etc. She is having major back surgery ( 6 to 10 hours ) this week, trying to avoid paralysis and further injury.
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This is a reply to # 2,305,312it does keep trying to come back.
And therein lies your complete misunderstanding of how the body works.
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This is a reply to # 2,305,328It keeps coming back because his immune system is being stressed by his probably running himself ragged both physically and emotionally with worry for his wife. It's not some whoo-ha over-complicated mystery that only microbiologists/doctors/rocket scientists can understand.
I'm sure you'd recommend a whole big list of supplements etc. needed to get his body 'properly' back on track, based on your 'understanding' of how the body really works. *cha-ching*
But you see, without the parasites draining you dry of nutrients, it really is this simple.- Re: Thanks, it is more of an annoyan... WhoAreYouNormally
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This is a reply to # 2,305,350Your postings are not credible to me.
If I want to learn how to get cancer or talk to mythical voices in my head I'll be sure to seek advice from you.
mmmkay?
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This is a reply to # 2,305,363Of course they aren't. My way doesn't get the pharmaceutical cartel any richer.
And push come to shove on any test for mental wellness or emotional competence, I'd score way higher than you. Your box is designed by the 'elites' to keep you blind and emotionally unwell. You, like everyone else, are just as manipulated.
So no, of course I'm non-credible.
And cancer---sure do it your cartel, profit driven way. Knock yourself out. Because they have such a high success rate even with all the natural stuff they're hawking for it.
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This is a reply to # 2,305,328Therein lies my complete understanding of the persistence of microbes such as streptococci.
I also very well understand how the body works.
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This is a reply to # 2,305,312Ohh---I'm so sorry, parazapper, please extend my best wishes for her speedy recovery.
If you have some of that goldenseal lying around, you could probably be done with the annoyance in a dose or two, considering how well it sounds managed now. Just take them with your hot coffee or tea. :)
This might be a good time to try some EFT. I know, I know--I just can't help it. I hate to see people suffer. :(
My friend who helps with my household stuff, had shoulder surgery back in mid-December. The predicted average recovery time from her doctor was about an 8 to 9 months period, with some folks taking up to a year even. After watching me, she decided to try EFT and she's back to normal NOW with only a bit of residual weakness.
The EFT cut the recovery time down to under 3 months Her medical team is astounded--perplexed but astounded; she's not telling them about the EFT.
And it's so easy. I could tell you which 3 points to tap with the phrase to say as you do the tapping. That's all there is to it, at least with my shortcuts and using muscle testing in conjunction, but I can muscle test by proxy for your wife. Quantum physics is real, and a lot of these new energy working modalities make use of it.
Also it works to manage pain. My friend said she only used the pain killers for 2 or 3 days.
And you might still be able to help with the original problem, too. Was it an injury? Or? Sorry if I'm being too nosey.
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This is a reply to # 2,304,940Yeah, Yeah, and I wonder who paid for this research to 'prove' zappers don't work, to make 'proof' that sounded plausible enough to debunk zappers.
The 'elites' do it all the time, to discredit stuff that's competition to them. They own or fund the labs, they own or fund the publishing houses who print all the 'noteworthy' Science 'discovered', and we are so freakin' gullible, we NEVER question the supposedly legitimate agenda-less 'research'.
Because 'science' is presented as 'above all that worldly political stuff--we only want the truth'. Right. This 'study' is so obviously BS.
I'd guess he never even did a study--just spent the whole time writing up the results he made up so it sounds convincing. And of course, the cartel will probably have some other 'scientist' pretend to replicate his results. They are in control of any lab capable of such studies.
And 'microbes aren't what a zapper's primarily for--it's the parasites. They get killed plenty good. I actually choose herbs over zappers for killing 'microbes'. It is more effective, faster, from my 15 years experience.- Re: I wonder who paid for this resea... jaguar57
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This is a reply to # 2,305,223ha! before my post the study was listed as "proof" that Clark Zappers work. Now it's just BS because I point out that it proves that they don't directly kill microbes or parasites. Anything that doesn't promote the agenda of Clark Zapper sellers/liars is now labeled as coming from the "elite".
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This is a reply to # 2,306,385I've never believed 'studies' on either side. And if they don't kill pathogens, tell that to my taste buds the first two times I zapped. I had a bacteria that released toxins/poisons when it dies on my tongue (ended up brushing my teeth and tongue before zapping and it's never happened again) and blam, no tastebuds for a couple months--and right in the holiday season too. *ack* Everything tasted like lard, saltine crackers, and water. It sucked. I doubt magic killed them, and I didn't do anything or take anything else different--just zapped, so I'm sure the zappers kills more than just parasites, although it does a bang up job for that too.
And 'studies' prove what the funding party wants them to prove. Science runs on money, too, eh??
And other than that run in with cancer for a couple months after I'd stopped using the zapper for a couple years, thinking the herbs would be enough, I haven't even had a cold. So obviously, the zapper is critical. So you had cancer and beat it off how quickly? Oh, that's right, doing it the cartel way, you'd be dying of it right now, because you can't tell the truth when you hear it.
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