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I posted a few weeks ago about my potential theory of this being related to food sensitivites/intolerance.
I noticed that depending on the toothpaste used the lips would peel in severity in accordance with which toothpaste I was using. The inner part of the mouth becomes red/inflammed/sticky, which is lead by the entire lips tightening up and then peeling.
I've come to the conclusion this is neither a food or chemical intolerance. It is caused, in my case, from repeating biting during my early years. The white gunk/ build up is where the trauma is most severe. This is why I believe people are making no progress. In effect, this is a wound caused from picking and biting the thin layer of skin on the inner part of the mouth. The outer part of the lips are peeling due to there being no skin on the inside of the mouth to join to. This is why the skin on the outer part of the lips is shedding layer after layer of skin, the lips are trying to heal back into the mouth lining.
Yes, aquaphor disguises the peeling cycle very well. Coconut oil provides a good secondary defence but does not last as long. Sadly, all these applications are improving the apperance of the lips and not encouraging them to actually heal and wound over. Even though aquaphor provides a longer lasting barrier it slows down the peeling cycle, whereas, in my experience, coconut oil will not slow down the peeling cycle as much and the lips will appear worse.
Unfortunately the reality is that the lips must be left to peel, unhindered. Find a less abrasive toothpaste. I realise now that the inner mouth becomes red after using harsher toothpastes is because these toothpastes clean the mouth better than the all natural organic ones. The toothpaste itself then could be said to irritate the wound area, but it is NOT causing the wound, this is an important differential.
What Daniel Miller suggested is to leave them alone and he is right. I don't share his support of aquaphor for the reasons I mentioned though. In his case I believe he allowed the lips sufficient time to heal themselves and that's all there is to it. Endure two weeks of the peeling cycle not applying any product and see if the lips peel thinner? You know you then have a way forward.
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This is a reply to # 2,300,414Have you tried plain old Vaseline? I didn't care for aquaphor and coconut oil is absorbed too quickly. A thick coating of Vaseline will stay put for hours as long as you are not eating, drinking or worse, touching your mouth. If you apply a thick coating before bed it should still be there in the morning.
Vaseline has been the only product that has healed my severely chapped lips and helped with EC. I think I used a topical prescription steroid on the corners of my mouth for a short period, but eventually switched to just using petroleum jelly. I know it gets a bad rap, but it's cheap and super effective.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,300,416The point is it's just improving appearances, that it all. These products work for me for that reason alone. Once I leave them for 24 hours they go back to being cracked and peeling. The sensitive area for me is the area that is prevented from skinning over, that is the inner lip. This is the area which gets so sore and cracks. The truth is Daniel is right, his method took months of consitent effort and nobody else has had the will power to do the same.- Re: Try Vaseline notmycircus
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This is a reply to # 2,300,443Have you tried taking additional B-complex vitamins? Most people with EC benefit from extra B vitamins. Also mega doses of vitamin C will help, but if you only try one make it the B complex. You need to treat what's going on 'inside' your body, not just the 'outside' (i.e., skin). Have you done a thorough colon cleanse?- Re: Try Vaseline Tergot223
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This is a reply to # 2,300,489I'm afraid I have spent years experimenting with vitamin supplements. Unfortunately a lot of information about vitamin deficiency comes from internet sources. What you may not realise is that it's very difficult to become deficient in vitamins except D and B12. A western diet is ample. Supplement companies selling these multivitamins like to harp on about the value of their product but the reality is most people don't need to take supplements, and the people that do are living in countries where they cannot be found, or they cannot afford to buy them. There are people that have developed serious toxicity symptoms from taking B6 just to make you aware, many have reported irreversible damage from longterm use (even though the dosage was below guidelines) Be very careful. I haven't done a Colon Cleanse perhaps you can give me more information?Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,300,663We aren't most people though, that's why we're here getting help. The B-complex supplement was suggested by the dermatologist treating my EC. He also said to eat a lot more green vegetables. I'm not sure why a simple multivitamin would ever cause alarm. No need to mega-dose, just the normal dosage is recommended.
My theory is that there is something going on inside the body that causes skin disruptions and if you treat the root of the problem your skin will clear up. My overall health improved tremendously once I started cleansing. There are dozens of products available that could be used for a colon cleanse. Whatever gets things moving and scrubs the intestines will do. The important thing is to keep things moving by having a minimum of 2 bowel movements every day. The Bowel Cleanse Forum has lots more info. Take care!
ETA: Just to clarify, normal dose of b-complex, but mega-dose of vitamin c.- Re: Try Vaseline Tergot223
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This is a reply to # 2,300,796If you look for vitamin b6 toxicity you will find a lot of information. That aside the dermatologist suggested those things because he doesn't actually know what to say. Furthermore, doctors are experts in disease not health, this is why they are in the business of selling creams and ointments with the occasional anecdotal piece of advice. The 'normal dosage' is affected by age, height, weight, body mass composition and indivdual body chemistry, not to mention individual diet. There is no one size fits all for these things and as I said before a balanced diet is enough to meet your dietary needs, perhaps with the exception of B12 and vitamin D which the body cannot manufacture.
The reason you see improvements in your health and appearance is probably because a) you wanted to believe they were making a positive difference to this and b) you became more mindful of what you were eating and probably ended up choosing healthier options as a result of this awareness, which improved these issues in a real sense. A plant based diet has proven to be most effective for health and in helping digestion due to the fibre and vitamin content. I've noticed improvements in my dermatitis on my face and head from eliminating dairy for example. Taking a step back though, these are side issues. Your lip trauma is a seperate entity, it is a wound that will still try to heal the same way regardless of whether you eat junk food or you are super healthy. Again if you relate to Daniel Miller's videos his diet was not particularly clean until after his lips were healed. Sorry to be a downer, but I've been taking shots in the dark at this problem for most of my adult life and I've learned some things in this time.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,300,957I'm sorry you are still dealing with EC and peeling lips. I just popped in to give my anecdotal experience with the hope that it might help someone out there. Mine took place 10 years ago and was completely cured within 2-3 months of treatment. I don't think EC is a wound per se. I think it has a fungal component, as the compounded ointment that was prescribed for me was a mix of steroids and antifungals. My guess is that's its candida related, which always starts in the gut, thus the importance of cleaning out your colon and restoring a healthy balance of good bacteria, etc (see colon cleansing or Candida Forum s). That may be partly why your avoidance of dairy made a positive difference in your condition.
My course of treatment was using the RX ointment on the sides of my mouth, drinking lots of water, upping my intake of fresh green veggies, taking a B-complex multivitamin, using Vaseline on my lips and most importantly keeping my mouth dry (from water) and not touching my face at all unless I was applying the RX or Vaseline. Dr also recommended only drinking through a straw, but I was never very good at keeping up with that.
I'm not one ro run to a dr every time I have a problem, but this wasn't going away on its own, so I sought professional help and by doing what was mentioned above it was cured and it has never come back. Please note, other than the RX ointment, the rest of the protocol is very cheap, easy and has nothing to do with the pharma industry.
I hope you are able to find a solution that works for you. It's a painful and unsightly condition, so I feel for those still struggling with it. Good luck!
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This is a reply to # 2,300,414you're advocating a method that's been pretty much debunked on here. letting your lips build up and peel doesn't have any benefit for the vast majority of people who've tried it. moisturizing has helped people and helps keep the lips from looking like total shit. i know which one i'm choosing
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This is a reply to # 2,300,446But leaving the crusts alone for 12 months like Daniel did is almost impossible for most of us here. I've tried that for 2 months and failed. It's too damn hard. There has to be another way.
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Leave it alone method will not work if your lips are raw after the scab peel after several weeks when the scabs are very thick. Leave it alone works only when your lips peel at the right time while keeping your lips clean all time.
Search for these usernames on curezone and you'll believe me that it can heal most of us here whose ec is caused due to some external factors
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-monsterlip
-thisiswhatithink
-crazydave
There are few others too,I don't remember their usernames. This has worked for me and I am almost cured .It will take few more weeks or a month for me to be completely cured.
Read all the posts by the users I mentioned above and then decide if you want to do it . First few weeks would be difficult but after a few weeks when lines start developing on your lips, they will feel and look much better.- Re: Sad reality Cottonmouth
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This is a reply to # 2,300,453How do you know when the crust is supposed to come off?
Whenever I smile too much the scab tears from the lips and it's raw underneath. Then it has too restart the whole process. That's why I gave up with that method.
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This is a reply to # 2,300,450I don't need to be told. I've lived with this for years, having spent weeks indoors trying to avoid people attempting different methods. I think I've finally reached the end of the road with this and the conclusion I've come to is that the leaving alone method (tried this for some time), was the only thing that helped.
As said before I'm not entirely sure this issue is caused from trauma to the outer lips (the part most on show). I believe the trauma is inside the mouth where the lining as been stripped repeatedly. If you notice from Daniel's videos, when at his worst the scab receeds somewhat from the outer crusts to inside the mouth. You can see the typical biting line (the line that joins the outer and inner skin) is scabbed over. This is what is repeatedly removed and damaged from licking/biting and picking the skin away.
If you remove the outer crusts and try to block peeling with creams and ointments all you are doing is removing the first phase of the lips attempt to heal back into the mouth. Essentially the crusts form on the outer lip area first as the skin is regrowing and dying immediately. This cycle is made even worse when you introduce bacteria/food/chemicals from toothpaste. Some of these factors may make that first initial peeling stage feel and appear terrible, but none of them are causing this. Why do you think the lips feel so sensitive and sore when a scab is removed? It is because the skin has not fully healed yet, and more time is required.
In conclusion, the lips are exfoliating madly staring with the outer areas intent on healing back into the mouth. I believe the white gunk is a good sign, this is showing that the skin inside the mouth area around the biting line is healing over. It's not something to be picked or washed off. Try to ignore this gunk and not remove it. If it comes of naturally from brushing or eating then fine.
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The crusts start detaching from the sides that is when you start applying coconut oil to the scab. I faced similar problem in the beginning when the scabs won't come off even after 7-8 days. You'll have to get past that phase and then when your lips start healing, the scabs will come off on their own .
In the beginning my lips would peel in 10 days and that too I had to manually peel them when they were wet. At that time I didn't use coconut oil . But once I started using coconut oil, the scabs came off much easily without causing any trauma to the lips. Now the scabs thickness has reduced and they peel much faster . 1 or 2 months would be horrible but after that the lips will gradually become normal . It takes time.- Re: Sad reality Cottonmouth
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This is a reply to # 2,300,567I didn't really have inflammation youth ec but he's my Luis look far better than when I used to manager then by Peking then on 4th day of peeping cycle.
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This is a reply to # 2,300,642Sorry. I was in a hurry and autocorrect messed it up.
All I wanted to say is that my lips are not inflammed. Yes I had it when I used to peel them after applying vaseline.After peeling they used to be a little inflammed and raw but now they don't.- Re: Sad reality Cottonmouth
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This is a reply to # 2,300,730When I applied coconut oil my lips were really inflamed when I woke up.
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This is a reply to # 2,300,788I just leave it alone and after a few days when the scabs start to grow then I apply a little coconut oil on them and when it starts detaching itself from the lips then I apply a little more oil on the sides where they first start to peel.
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This is a reply to # 2,300,795Got it. So when the scab comes off, is their a new layer off scab forming? Each layer being more sensitive.
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Yes there is a new scab underneath . it takes around a week for scabs to fall off but they are thin as compared to when I had started with this .
Note: If you are going to use ACV , use it after diluting it and apply only on the lips. Don't let acv touch the inner part or teeth . I got a rash inside my mouth after using it .So dilute it 1:10 with water and dab it on your lips and then wash it off after 1-2 mins.
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