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Contrary to popular belief, our products are NOT Ionic.
It is impossible to make the Metalic Ions in a Colloidal Solution
without the use of chemicals
The truth:
Well, most of what you'll "learn" is sales hype or repeated ignorance handed down without context...some is even partly true.
"Technically" an ion is a particle because it has mass and takes up space, but the technicality is often used to mislead.
The silverpups and ALL generators that use electricity and water make ONLY ions and silver ions only come in one size...one atom minus an electron.
Particles form FROM ions later, mostly in the Nernst Diffusion layer at the electrode surface/ water interface and according to environmental conditions such as concentration.
If the concentration is higher than the solubility limits of silver ions in water,the ion is forced to combine with something to make a particle.
Only those ions that find an electron become "silver" particles. Electrons can be picked up at the air/electrode interface and from glass acting as a capacitor/ [very inefficient] solar cell collecting electro-magnetic radiation. There are no "free"electrons in a liquid. only electron imbalances as ions and anions.
Some of the hydroxyl anions OH[-] will combine with silver ions to form a silver hydroxide particle or with dissolved oxygen, to form silver oxide....both, byproducts of electrolysis,
Hydroxyl rich water is also known as "alkaline water"
If the current is kept low, the oxides and most of the hydroxides form and stay on the electrodes where the SWAP current reversal phase re-converts most of it back to ionic silver.
The more particles in a given volume, the higher the odds of them growing bigger and they don't come in one size, but ranges of sizes with the vast majority of the silver still as ions.
Current control controls current density on the electrodes and keeps that concentration down in the diffusion layer so fewer and smaller particles tend to form, but the water itself plays a role too and water is highly variable.
Particle SizeThe machine itself...doesn't make "particles"...at all.
No generator that uses electricity and water makes "particles" AT ALL.
They make ions and nothing BUT ions and silver ions only come in one size or they aren't silver. No "particle" of silver can possibly be smaller.
A silver ion, by definition: A single atom minus an electron at 0.000252 microns diameter
0.000252 microns = 0.252 nanometers
If anyone answers your question " What size are the particles this machine makes? " with a number, they are either liars or suffer from ignorance.
With 85% to 97% of the silver being ionic, smaller than a single atom by definition and nothing smaller possible, does it really matter?
Particles bigger than around a couple of microns settle out, by definition, not "colloidal".
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This is a reply to # 2,290,606If there's one thing I've learned in this business, it's that scammers follow a common thread. That said, sometimes the scammers will take the initiative to reformulate their strategies in an attempt to obfuscate the pattern. Though in the end, the tell-tail signs are unavoidable.
I this particular case there are several factors and indicators that this seller or company is using the very same scam as with the other monatomic Colloidal Silver claimants that we've seen over the past.
Let's consider:
1. The claims are absurd; 3000ppm in a crystal clear solutions.
2. The features and benefits are commonly presented in form of Strawmen
3. Pricing usually ranges from high to absurd.
4. The Science and/or process methods are top secret.
All of which, is hardly new on this forum. As it seems as though every year brings with it a new wave of the same old bag tricks than the last. The belief that someone is going to pull the wool over the eyes of others with some new undiscovered science. - When in truth, all they ends-up with, is being banned from the forums for soliciting against the rules(again).
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This is a reply to # 2,290,649You should click on their names which takes you to all their posts.
Notice there is no reply, and he accused me of disinformation.
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I've only gleaned through some of the posts, though I'd begin by questioning how they managed to dissolve 3 grams of silver in solution first and foremost. - (one for the books)
The sad part is, that while most scams are overly apparent, that this isn't always the case as some scammers progressively refine their craft to the point of sounding credible for all but the most seasoned Colloidal Silver enthusiasts.
That said, it would be quite easy(though futile) to debunk these so-called monatomic silver solutions right at home. Though that wouldn't likely amount to anything as scammers are just as committed to dodging the truth even when when placed right in front of them, than they are at tricking people into handing over their hard earned money.
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This is a reply to # 2,290,649Let's consider:
1. The claims are absurd; 3000ppm in a crystal clear solutions.
Response: New Science is alway unwelcome by the uninformed and yes even ignorant. Yes Crystal Clear Solutions that defy all the known standards that apply to nanoparticles.
2. The features and benefits are commonly presented in form of Strawmen
Response: You must mean "Straw Man" - Not true if you examine all of their pages they're plenty of reasons to avoid the nanoparticle Toxic Substance you and your aliases push.
3. Pricing usually ranges from high to absurd.
Response: $35.00 for a 16 Ounce Bottle of 500 PPM is very if not extremely reasonable, you are attempting to Disinform your followers, why?
4. The Science and/or process methods are top secret.
Response: Yup! You and your cohorts would be selling it too if they were privy to the technology.
Why should a hard working American give up his process to a few low down, no good, toxic-nanoparticle producing schemers, that probably worked for a Colloidal Silver company and went stole their technology and made it their own version of the nanoparticle technology?
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RE: 1. New Science is alway unwelcome by the uninformed and yes even ignorant. Yes Crystal Clear Solutions that defy all the known standards that apply to nanoparticles.
Unfortunately for scams and all involved, appeals to new science are comon tactics used in part of what I'd call the scammers model. Which essentially makes use of smoke and mirrors to deflect the substantiation of any claims used to convince others into buying their products.That said, as I've commited myself to remain open minded toward matters, I'd like to investigate how this is done and see where said new science takes us. Though I can only hope your next response doesn't make use of the classic top-secret scientific methods pending approval and /or the detriment of competitive markets. As this would have complete the scam cycle of the common model, and would be very disappointing to say the least.
However(and call me a fool), but I'd like to believe that this is not one of these cases, and that you're going to pull through by demonstrating the science used to achieve what is currently not possible. Such as with the metals and refining industries who specialize in the dissolution and transport of precious metals, which are at the forefront of electrochemistry and research.
Beyond this, I'm going to put out there that I believe and for very good reason, that these so-called Monatomic silver solutions are nothing more than Ionic Solutions. Just like all the other crystal clear solutions baring no tyndall properties on the market today. Which could very easily be confirmed with simple tests such as the admission of chloride, and/or UV and a host of other chemical reducing agents.
And so in the event that the OP chooses not to divulge his new scientific secrets, I'd add that there should be nothing whatsoever stopping him or her from sending me a sample(25ml or more) for testing. Not to mention, the astounding testimonial that he or she would get when I post my findings.
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