Candida feeding on Lacto bacteria? 
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My candida symptoms were mostly localized to my gut over the last year (bloating, discomfort etc). Doctors told me that I have IBS or SIBO. Treated with xifaxan, which made things worse. So later, in August of this year, I decided to treat myself and started to take strong probiotics (VSL#3). After a couple of days I started feeling sick (constantly dizzy, brain fog, numb face, rash sometimes etc). I've read that it could be die-off. I stopped taking the probiotics hoping that all those symptoms will go away but ever since then I have those symptoms.
Now, with a better understanding that it's candida and treatment - the symptoms had gotten somewhat better but I'm trying to understand why the probiotics made things so much worse.
Was candida feeding on Lacto bacteria (VSL is mostly Lacto bacteria) and releasing gases that made me feel so bad or was it a die-off reaction from good bacteria fighting candida? Then why didn't the symptoms go away? I'm confused. What do you think?
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This is a reply to # 2,289,865I've heard many people talk about feeling ill after taking probiotics. That has never been my experience but I believe what they are saying. Why is this? Chris Kresser says that it is because these people have SIBO and the probiotics aggravates SIBO. Read what he says here:
http://chriskresser.com/supplements/digestion/
He says taking a soil based probiotic like Prescript-Assist can get the SIBO under control. Then you can take a "normal" probiotic without problems.
This post below also confirms SIBO as causing probiotic intolerance:
Antibiotics -and-bacterial-dysbiosis-10385">https://www.paleohacks.com/probiotics/ Antibiotics -and-bacterial-dysbiosis-10385
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This is a reply to # 2,289,921Thank you, frostymug!
My doctor says the same thing - that probiotics are known to aggravate SIBO. But couldn't it also be the case with candida overgrowth (SIFO)?
Dr. Kresser recommends getting a Genova Diagnostics stool test to confirm if it's candida. Mine was done a few months ago and showed no yeast overgrowth (but did show dysbiosis and some bacteria completely absent - like Lactobacillus and E coli). Interestingly, Dr. Jill Carnahan says that stool test may not show candida in the small intestine and that organic acids urine test needs to be done to confirm. My doctor says that some candida would have shown up in the stool test if I had it and she didn't order the urine test. Basically very conflicting information. I tried searching direct labs for Genova Organic Acids test to order myself but they don't seem to offer it.
Interestingly, when I took those probiotics - my skin cleared up of fungal spots (tinea vercicolor) that I have. They're now back though. Xifaxan also didn't help at all - only made things worse. That in addition to all the symptoms that people list here on CZ makes me think it's candida and not SIBO.
Any thoughts?
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This is a reply to # 2,289,969I don't think probiotics would cause a bad reaction if you had SIFO because probiotics don't kill fungi so much as crowd them out. One of the fastest and easiest ways to see if you have candida is to take a fairly large dose of antifungals and see if you have die-off symptoms. If you do this, do it on a day off from work where you can lay down all day if need be. Whole Foods sells a product called CaprilyCare which is mostly caprylic acid (a fatty acid found in coconut oil). Take 8 of those (this is a normal dose, it is a food more than a drug) on an empty stomach and see if you feel anything (burping, runny nose, brain fog, etc.).
Great Plains Laboratory has a test for candida. I don't know how much it costs because you have to register as a patient to find out. Look here:
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This is a reply to # 2,289,972Interestingly, I just ordered the organic acids and metal urine test from Great Plains Laboratory and you're sending me the link as well. :)
Those tests should clear thing out a little more. They didn't give me the price though so I'll have to call them tomorrow.
I was taking Candicid Forte as my doctor told me but that had aggravated my GERD so much that my voice is hoarse now and I see blood in my saliva sometimes so I'm off anything that is not alkaline. Won't be able to take caprylic acid until I get the reflux under control.
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This is a reply to # 2,289,974If you have SIBO and GERD, it could be that you have low stomach acid. This could be caused by antacids like Zantac, Pepcid, Prevacid, Nexium, etc. Low stomach acid allows bacteria to flourish in the upper intestines and can also lead to GERD. Believe it or not, many people who complain of heartburn and take antacids would actually improve by taking hydrochloric acid (Betaine HCl).
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This is a reply to # 2,289,989Thanks! I purchased PH strips that test acidity in saliva. Will also see a doctor about it.
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