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21st century physics seems to have finaly answered certain quandrys which came out of Rutherford and others analysis and design of the atomic structure, defined and deliniated by Cotterell in his theory shattering, correcting and completeting book 'Future Science'(a bit high priced, high end construction, well produced text, well worth it to anyone interested in the topic).
Cotterell has created an atomic structure thesis that does away with the problems created by the older view of the atomic particles attraction and repulsion principles of construction being necessarily mediated by a neutral(neutron) particle and the continuing quest for particles, conditions and arrangments that would obviate the quandrys created by the orthodox billiard balls style arrangement, of primary, secondary and other particles and sub particlea.
Describing the neutron not as a neutraly charged particle but as a spike shape with oscillating magnetic poles, that allows protons and electrons to stay in orbit and to not collapse into the nucleus or to spin off as they should by the early therorists positive and negative charged particles summation design.
Furthermore, recent discoveries and uses of the properties of the terraherz field, found that all atoms exhibit energetic/electrical qualities in a way not known or considered in orthodox physics previously, which implies that the concepts of neutral atomic particles and atoms, states and effects, are incorrect in using that discovery and understanding.
While the diminution of silver water atoms groupings size, as created by a process, may be an important advantage emphasized by #16 and silver researchers, the ability to isolate and stabilize extremely small atomic groups or less than nanometer sized particles of metal, whether they are atoms with unequal particles (labled as ionic) or not, is the disscusion, since so many report success' with the any sliver water.
The most important treatment choice might still be more related to the locating of any tech produced silver water agent to the pathogen for the charge response to occur.
And whether passing the stomack environment comprimises the silver and to what degree, as well as the amount of killing action of the silver, on the small intestine's symbiotic bacteria.
So if we go further. M Cotterell's book is an indepth disection and analysis of atomic physics. Presenting his work on a more exacting view how electricity, magnetism, gravity, atomic and subatomic activity is structered and occuring.
This new view of the atomic structure resolves the search and need for adjustments required by Rutherford's, to diminish its quandries by imagining multiple particles, like glueons ect ect ect, and the god particle, to fruitless unneeded endeavors.
His thesis explains recent, not well understood, gravity wave inventions, denied patents due to the inventors inability to realise how their inventions were working.
However one quandry that existed previously still exists. Since no satisfactory conventional conclusion was reached with previous structure designs and no answers yet are forthcoming from evan this new more complete arrangment on the actual source of energy--( )----we can still look for that.
Tho of course many would say that, that, is, for lack of a better neutral word, consciousness. Beyond material or energetic actuality, the source, the ego's alter and transcensient identity, nemisis, beyond any scintella of duality.
btw, for mr s: M Cotterell submitted his very persuasive thesis to a prestigous Science publisher and their response was that with no grand mathematical formulation(it actually has some) it couldnt be published.
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- Re: silver water efficacy repost, an... vairagi
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This is a reply to # 2,289,096Where would the nano size vs a monoatomic size come into preference? Since a mono silver water atom's stability staying solo, and that just because the silver water atom is grouped as solo atoms, does that give them the ability to naturally by pass a pathogens atomic structure? Wouldnt that hypothesis mean that the siver atoms would fall out of any container? Unless one is refering to the unballanced charge state, and wouldnt that naturally group the atoms into larger multi atom sizes making it no different than the other products of less than nano sized siver water?
It is my understanding that the research literature says that silver's action on pathogens is 'similar' to a leukocytes use of H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) as an electron stealer in the body, so that it isnt necessary for the agent to enter the pathogen, only for it to come into contact. Furthermore if a single E Coli bacterium is 7 μm(micron) long and 1.8 μm in diameter, than the smaller micro sized .0008μm silver particles would have no problem interfacing with it and evan many of the larger sized silver particles would have some chance of a small activating interface. While the larger particle would have less success with the very small sized Staph A. bacterium, seeing as how it is the interface of their surfaces that is of importance than the evan smaller size silver particles again would be quite able to provoke the death spiral in the bacterium.
I see that research has indicated the advantage of eventual pathogen membrane invasion, but I wonder exactly how necessary that would be seeing as how so many researchers have reported silver's affect on surface contact alone.
from: How Colloidal Silver Works
Copyright (c) W. G. Peters 2015
Any--- silver particles which make it into circulation can kill a pathogen. These particles (may be) too large to enter into (a) healthy cell through the ion channels, and they are also repelled by healthy cells by virtue of their similar electric charge (Zeta potential). This means that silver nanoparticles will not attack healthy normal human cells. On the other hand, they are attracted to bacteria when they are in close proximity by their difference in electric charge.
It is clear that a silver nanoparticle has to be in very close proximity to a bacterium to have any effect at all. It must be close enough to exchange electrons, as all chemical reactions involve the exchange of electrons. Silver--- is the most conductive of all elements because it has the most mobile surface electrons. As a (silver particle) approaches a bacterium, it will be electrostatically attracted to the bacterium, pulling it closer. As it approaches, the electric field strength (volts per nanometer) increases until an electron from the silver particle can jump to the surface of the pathogen--. When this happens, it weakens and bursts the wall of the pathogen. At the same time, the silver atom that lost its electron is oxidized to a silver ion releasing it from the particle, and the silver ion can then enter the pathogen to damage it. It make take more than one electron exchange to penetrate the pathogen, but a silver nanoparticle contains thousands of silver atoms.
Bactericidal Actions of a Silver Ion Solution on Escherichia coli, Studied by Energy-Filtering Transmission Electron Microscopy and Proteomic Analysis
November 2005 in the journal, Applied and Environmental Microbiology
"The---results indicate that one of the major bactericidal actions of the silver ion is caused by its interaction with the ribosome and subsequent suppression in the expression of enzymes and proteins essential to ATP production. In other words, the silver ions infiltrate the bacterial cell and destroy the ability of the bacteria to generate life-giving energy from the inside."
From the 2015 Hebrew University report:chemist David Avnir of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the senior author of the new study
"When silver comes into contact with a bacterium, silver ions begin attaching to the cell wall of the pathogen, releasing nascent oxygen, which in turn inactivates the pathogen through a process called catalytic oxidation."
"Similar to the way hydrogen peroxide works, i.e., a burst of oxygen is transferred electro-chemically from the silver to the pathogen, stunning and partially disabling it."
"Then, the catalytic oxidation causes a series of chemical changes to the cell wall of the pathogen. These chemical changes block the pathogen’s energy transfer and respiration systems."
"Next, the silver ruptures the weakened cell wall of the bacterium, and is absorbed into it, at which point it damages the pathogen’s DNA, preventing it from replicating. Since the bacterium can no longer replicate, the infection can no longer spread."
"Finally, with all of this damage, the bacterium eventually dies."
"Next hundreds of tiny silver micro-particles inside the bodies of dead bacteria are then leached to live bacteria in the same colony, killing them as well.
Once a bacterium is killed by silver it acts like a sponge, continuing to attract and absorb tiny silver particles from its surroundings."
"The dead bacteria killed by the tiny silver particles “infect” the remaining live bacteria in the colony with the silver they’ve absorbed, thereby killing them as well."
Combining Dmso with Silver water may aplicable to this discussion of Silver waters different types efficacies.
http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/DMSO_CS02.html
http://undergroundhealthreporter.com/colloidal-silver-a-wonderful-miracle-for-cancer/#axzz3shYJU7AB
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This is a reply to # 2,289,570Nanoparticle sized bacteria obviously has a much softer shell than a basketball does. So when silver nanoparticles impact against these bacteria, they may cause minor lacerations, bruising and micro electrical shocks. The shocks occur because silver is the most electrically conductive element.
Think of a fully charged 12 volt battery connected with a pair of battery cables. If you ground the cables together touching one clamp to another, it releases a spark discharge. A similar situation occurs when a Colloidal Silver particle with a positive charge comes in contact with viruses, bacteria or other pathogens having a negative charge. Magnetic particle attraction ensues drawing these oppositely charged particles together. Upon contact with a harmful microorganism, they discharge one or more electrons causing an electrical shock of sorts.
Now the interesting part: Nanoparticles of Colloidal Silver seldom remain as separate individual particles in a solution of water. Since they’re unable to attach to the molecules of water, they immediately begin attaching themselves to each other in rapid, sequential steps. First, most of the unstable monatomic ions attract other individual ions and quickly transform into polyatomic ions (also known as a molecular ion, is a charged chemical species (ion) composed of two or more atoms covalently bonded or of a metal complex that can be considered to be acting as a single unit) that are composed of multiple monatomic Ions.
Magnetic particle attraction increases once the polyatomic ions have formed. Masses of polyatomic ions keep attracting quantities of nanoparticles which quickly transform into huge molecular sized ionic clusters. These clusters can no longer penetrate the pathogens.
Nanoparticles of silver that were 8 to 200 billionths of a meter in size grew a thousand fold and became micro-particle groups that are between 8 and 200 millionths of a meter in size, which is a thousand times larger.
The formation of these molecular sized, ionic silver, particle groups creates a problem. Bacteria of Staphylococcus Aureus averages between ½ and 1 micrometer in size. A molecular ionic silver particle that’s between 50 and several hundred micrometers in size is not going to penetrate bacteria that small.
Ultrasmall bacteria average between 320 nanometers long by 240 nanometers wide. Colloidal Silver nanoparticles are often as large as 200 nm in size.
Particles that are ⅔ the size of the bacteria itself also will not be able to penetrate it.
The reason nano and ionic particles of silver give just bare, minimal results is because of the way they work. They smash bacteria, viruses and similar pathogens with particles that bruise, cut and mildly shock these
microorganisms while only killing off small numbers of them. The microorganisms retaliate from this assault by excreting various toxins to protect themselves.
In addition, because most nanoparticle colloids are made with chemicals, and it take a chemical process to create ions, ions are also present in most nanoparticle colloidal solutions.
Toxins produced in this manner are combined with the chemical residues left in the ionic and nanoparticle silver solutions. Together, these create a sudden imbalance in a person’s system when solutions like this are ingested. This in turn initiates the Herxheimer Reaction making the person even sicker before they get well.
This is why rapid penetration into pathogens is important.
Which is why I would recommend a High PPM of Atomic Particle Colloidal silver that is from 3000 to 18000 PPM.
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This is a reply to # 2,289,613Soft? Obvious? Garbage? Where did we get off track?
You seem to be too concerned with trying to upplay your product and decry the others. If your product is as good as you think, it will sell itself, and I would think you would be giving it away to anyone in serious need or anyone who could prove its theraputic efficacy and superiority.
Do you discount the 2015 report from the Hebrew University? Its newer and more involved than the report from Rice and the quote you shared sounds more philosophical than scientific.
BTW Wasnt it Becker who noticed the actions of ion exchange in the late 50s? So why mention it as if its new and important on this topic?
I thought we were beyond arguing about whether silver worked, or was toxic ect ect and had moved on to finding the most effective and economical way to utilize it. I dont think there needs to be any arrogance or berating in the discussion.
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This is a reply to # 2,289,613The facts speak for themselves, everything can be verified with Stanford Universities research as well as the Rice University:
HOUSTON – (July 11, 2012) – Rice University researchers have settled a long-standing controversy over the mechanism by which silver nanoparticles, the most widely used nanomaterial in the world, kill bacteria.
Their work comes with a Nietzsche-esque warning: Use enough. If you don’t kill them, you make them stronger.
Scientists have long known that silver ions, which flow from nanoparticles when oxidized, are deadly to bacteria. Silver nanoparticles are used just about everywhere, including in cosmetics, socks, food containers, detergents, sprays and a wide range of other products to stop the spread of germs.
But scientists have also suspected silver nanoparticles themselves may be toxic to bacteria, particularly the smallest of them at about 3 nanometers. Not so, according to the Rice team that reported its results this month in the American Chemical Society journal Nano Letters.
n fact, when the possibility of ionization is taken away from silver, the nanoparticles are practically benign in the presence of microbes, said Pedro Alvarez, George R. Brown Professor and chair of Rice’s Civil and Environmental Engineering Department.
“You would be surprised how often people market things without a full mechanistic understanding of their function,” said Alvarez, who studies the fate of nanoparticles in the environment and their potential toxicity, particularly to humans. “The prefix ‘nano’ can be a double-edged sword. It can help you sell a product, and in other cases it might elicit concerns about potential unintended consequences.”
He said the straightforward answer to the decade-old question is that the insoluble silver nanoparticles do not kill cells by direct contact. But soluble ions, when activated via oxidation in the vicinity of bacteria, do the job nicely.
So much for the "Large Surface Area" Claim.
These NEW studies confirm that the smaller the particles the better they can penetrate pathogens. Single Atomic Particles are the ultimate size for pathogen penetration.
The old scientific studies need to be thrown in the Garbage.
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