is this safe? 
mygutleaks
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hi ya'll,
here's what I would like to do, and below that, is some history. Was hoping sum1 could please comment on if this is safe? Thanks in advance!
I want to take chlorella daily, and add in a little bit of cilantro for a week on, then 2 weeks off. I know I can't stick to a 4 hour around the clock schedule due to work - is this necessary even with cilantro? I also don't want to take DMPS, DMSO, ALA, EDTA, etc. I want algae so as to also feed my lactic acid bacteria. Plus I don't feel as if I need the hardcore detox, just a little detoxing on an ongoing basis.
had my 2 Amalgam fillings out over 1 year ago. (Also had two noble metal crowns put in). have been on an anti-candida protocol since before that. have made tons of progress, but have not eliminated the coated tongue. My mother had a good # of Amalgams prior to becoming pregnant with me. Have not had a metals test, but also do not have symptoms of metal toxicity.
took 1 gram chlorella yesterday at 10 AM, and 3 small 'branches' of cilantro at 4 PM (from a $2.99/pack from Whole Foods). had some tingling in the brain at 3 AM. today, took just 1 gram chlorella, no cilantro. 4 hours later, had a weird dizzy feeling in head for several minutes, then it passed. then, had a slight headache for a few hours, which just passed. perhaps this is from redistributed HG? Am also taking a supplement with 1,500mg MSM, and drinking kombucha which has glutathione, and taking milk thistle.
Much appreciated!,
-MGL
- Re: is this safe? dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 2,127,760I don't like the cilantro idea. Cilantro crosses the brain blood barrier and may transport mercury to your brain. Chlorella is only one thiol, meaning it doesn't have an strong bond to metals. It may release them during the intestinal transit. Also, most chlorella may be mercury contaminated since it comes from the sea.
In any case, chlorella may be safer than cilantro. It is all to you but after my years reading a lot about chelation, I don't buy the idea these natural products chelate anything. It is more market than anything. They may have some binding properties but when dealing with metal toxicity, the mistakes cause more harm.
Good Luck,
Jorge.
- Re: is this safe? joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,127,760I think you should learn more about various alternatives.
This is a perspective of Andrew Cutler, PhD chemistry in an audio interview with Dr Dan Pompa. Both had heavy metal problems, had difficulty getting diagnosed and got much improved.
http://www.healthcentersofthefuture.com/DrCutler/
Cutler bio.
http://noamalgam.com/#authorsays
There are some really unpleasant reports about the use of cilantro including the following from a teen who is now taking college classes.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/64260
Joe, 3+ yrs Cutler Protocol with nice gains
- Re: is this safe? mygutleaks
11 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,128,023thanks Jorge & Joe. I just ordered some DMSA and ALA. Vitamin Research Products has a 50% off sale thru Black Friday. I've seen where some people have added chlorella and cilantro to Cutler's protocol. I would think this would be ok, at least chlorella in the beginning, then cilantro later. It seems like the issue he has with these is that they are mobilizing but not strongly binding. but wouldn't the DMSA bind whatever c & c mobilize?
it seems like chlorella does a good job of ridding the intestines of mercury, plus it feeds the good bacteria.
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- Re: is this safe? dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 2,128,093Yes, they don't have an strong bond. DMSA may aggravate your candida.
Jorge. - Re: is this safe? joegrane
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,128,093Dr Dan Pompa mentions the issue of chlorella's effects on Hg in the gut in this discussion.
http://www.healthcentersofthefuture.com/DrCutler/
I can't say it makes any sense to me to use chlorella, cilantro and other high thiol supplements (NAC, MSM, etc) while on round with thiol chelators.
Remember LA, DMSA and DMPS are di-thiols. They have two SH/thiol groups (mercury magnets) with which to more effectively bind to Hg++ (with two magnets).
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/lastructure.html
In contrast cysteine has only one SH group.
http://www.worldofmolecules.com/life/cysteine.htm
You don't want Hg in parts of the body that are not so vulnerable to Hg to end up in some part of the body that holds onto Hg tightly and is quite vulnerable to it. For example the mice in this study that received ALA *infrequently* excreted more Hg than control mice but also ended up with *more* Hg in the brain and some organs!
Joe
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- Re: is this safe? joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,128,124Sorry this is the link to Cutler's comments about the Gregus study on inorganic Hg in mice
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/74605.html
- Re: is this safe? smitho
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This is a reply to # 2,128,125I had good results with chlorella when taken with algin
- Algin is an essential part of any heavy metal detox plan because it helps to prevent redistribution of the harmful substances- Re: is this safe? mygutleaks
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This is a reply to # 2,128,538Thanks guys! I could definitely feel the redistribution effects after taking several grams of chlorella Tuesday. Headache and foggy brain 1 to 2 days later. In fact it hasn't totally gone away yet. I stopped it. I ordered some dmsa, ala and will get algin too.
What do you think of doing the 3-day round of dmsa, along with chlorella and algin, and then taking chlorella/algin on the off days? I like the idea of chlorella vs. Dmsa because I have back disc issues and pulling out good minerals is sure to make it worse - even Epsom Salt baths did that.
Are trace mineral drops and/or multivitamin safe to take while on-round? I also have some chondrotin pills with 1500mg MSM. Are these ok?
Thanks again,
MGL- Re: is this safe? joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,128,565Re Headache. I hope you are taking plenty of antioxidants. Cutler says we should not expect any gains if not using adequate amounts.
Joe- Re: is this safe? mygutleaks
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This is a reply to # 2,128,669thanks Joe,
I'm placing an order for Vit C, natural E, B-complex, MG, Molybdenum, and Zinc - and have liver support, fish/flax oil - Cutler has a huge list of required and suggested supplements just from his webpage - then suggests his book for additional supplements. Are all these really necessary? I'm eating a mostly organic paleo-style diet, so plenty of amino acids from meats. This is the list below from his site:
http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-pro...
•VITAMIN B – 12.5mg to 25 mg four times a day totaling 60 – 100mg/day. Can split a “B-50? or “B-100? tablet. Important to take several times per day to keep blood levels high. Don’t take after 4pm as it can keep you awake. Other water soluble vitamins such as Vitamin C should also be taken several times
•VITAMIN C – 4 grams or more, one with each meal and one at bedtime. Can take up to 12 grams, or up to bowel tolerance, to reduce side-effects of chelation and oxidative damage caused by mercury.
•VITAMIN E – 1200iu. It is fat soluble and can be taken once a day. This is a VERY IMPORTANT option. Vit. E is a potent anti-oxidant and will balance out the over-oxidizing effect of moving metals, and mercury in particular. Mercury causes oxidative damage wherever it goes and Vit. E and Vit. C help to repair it. Only buy natural Vit E. Natural Vitamin E begins with a d, as in d-alpha-tocopherol and the synthetic variant begins with a dl, as in dl-alpha-tocopherol.
•MAGNESIUM - in absorbable forms like citrate, malate, aspartate, or amino acid chelate – 50-100mg several times a day up to 750 mg and adjust lower if diarrhoea. People with weak adrenals should not use Magnesium Oxide as it uses up stomach acid. Magnesium is one of the supplements that poisoned people need a lot of. You can also take pharmaceutical grade Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) 1/4 – 1/2 teaspoon 4 times a day (don’t take Epsom Salts at the same time as Calcium supplements however as it can create an indigestible by-product)
•ZINC – 50 to 100 mg spread out during day (especially copper toxic people). Everybody needs this.
•FISH OILS: Pharmaceutical grade Cod Liver Oil. 1 teaspoon – 1 tablespoon/day. Take more in winter.
•VITAMIN A – 5 RDA’s per day. Can use the mercury-free fish oils to supply this.
•FLAX OIL - 1-3 tablespoon per day, take some fish oils also. Take with cottage cheese if you tolerate dairy. Balance with BORAGE OIL, 1 teaspoon of Borage for every tablespoon of Flax. People with allergies can do well by taking more flax
•LIVER HERBS – milk thistle. One capsule with each meal.
•SULPHATE (SULFATE): Epsom Salt BATHS are excellent to provide (Magnesium) sulphate and can be done daily! Or consider (Glucosamine) Sulphate 1500mg/day
•Consider also CHROMIUM 200mcg/meal and VINPOCETINE 5mg…… three times/day, plus:
•MOLYBDENUM- 500 mcg………… to 1000mcg per day. This is especially important for ‘copper toxic’ people as molybdenum (along with zinc) prevents copper absorption. It is also important to use when using ALA as ALA reduces copper excretion in the bile. (Many South Africans are low in this according to recent hair tests).
•COENZYME Q10 400mg……/day; INOSITOL 2-12g/day; LYSINE 2g/day; ARGININE 6g/day, ACETYL-L-CARNITINE 1-2g/day.
- Re: is this safe? mygutleaks
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- Re: is this safe? joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,128,787Actually Cutler's site is noamalgam.com
LivingNetworks is an excellent resource for those using Cutler's system. I think someone connected with their organization got a very improbable recovery using Cutler.
Cutler is clear that antioxidants are critical or you risk worsening of your condition.
Mg and Zn are also in his shortest list.
After that it somewhat depends on your symptoms.
I have a link to a post by Cutler if you need it.
I take quite a few supplements, some have been very helpful with symptoms.
Joe- Re: is this safe? mygutleaks
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- Re: is this safe? joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,128,829this will give you a feel for the situation.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/79023
His book, Amalgam Illness has a couple of lists to consider, including one as long as your arm.
Joe
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This is a reply to # 2,127,760> I want to take chlorella daily, and add in a little bit of cilantro
> for a week on, then 2 weeks off. (...)
> if this is safe?
NO, it is NOT SAFE.
Natural remedies such as herbs appeal to many people. I am all in favor of herbs, but they are not appropriate as chelators because there is not standardized extract. You have NO WAY OF KNOWING how much mercury you are releasing with each dose. As a result, you will end up redistributing some of the mercury that used to sit in your lungs or liver or muscles into your brain. The brain is the most sensitive organ, because without a functioning brain a person will end up having other people decide his or her life for you in the confines of some institutionalized care. DON'T DO THIS!!! Follow the Cutler protocol.
> I know I can't stick to a 4 hour around the clock schedule
Yes you can.
That's what weekends are for. If you can't do it for four days three nights, lower the dose and do it for three days. If you can't do it for three days and two nights, lower the dose and do it over the weekend, for two nights and two days.
> I also don't want to take DMPS,
You don't need it. Your body did this part of the job on its own over the last year (since the removal of your amalgams)
> DMSO,
Prohibited. This chelator is not safe. Don't even think of taking it.
> EDTA
You can't take it even if you wanted to! It is NOT safe for mercury toxic individuals, so you can just forget about it.
> ALA,
Relax, this is the same chelator our bodies make anyway. It is in every living cell of your body. It is as natural as cilantro, only A LOT SAFER.
> Plus I don't feel as if I need the hardcore detox, just a little
> detoxing on an ongoing basis.
Either way, take ALA and don't even touch cilantro until you are fully detoxed.
> just a little
> detoxing on an ongoing basis.
In this case, I would take a small dose of ALA and limit the round to _one_ day. You MUST take ALA every three hours and when you decide to end the round, you MUSN'T take ALA for at least the length of time of the round (to allow your body to recover and excrete the copper). You can do this from morning until evening, but make sure you sellect a dose which does not cause any effects of redistribution when this short round ends, and during the round, take ALA on the clock every three hours sharp.
- Re: is this safe? dvjorge
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