Day 18 - Acidity on stomach or detox... 
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Hi all,
I have been suffering for digestive symptoms for the last 2´5 years: had an digestive infection, treated it with strong meds...I felt meds burned my full digestive tract! I´ve been 2´5 years in hell hardly eating and hardly pooing and with great pain...I concentrated on trying to stabilize my system: eating and pooing. Eating zuccini, oats, beetroot for this long. Last spring I switched to atkins-ish diet, and noticed my system -specially intestines- appreciated the proteins. I had to drink coke -4 liters per day- to accompany proteins as it made me digest it much better. Spent 3-4 months eating cows intestines, pig ears, lips, skin -sight!..i was vegetarian 3 years ago- and my digestive system seemed to be very happy with all that. Getting a good fat storage with it, gave me the confidence to start a WF for health purposes.
I started a WF with mineral water 18 days ago, preceded by a clarks parasite round of 13 days. So far so good. First 4-5 days got headaches and tiredness, so had 1 salt+soda enema and solved it. From day 5-7 energy levels are quite good: I am really quite active, but also assuring good rest. I have had natural BM every now and then, and that really makes me happy. The last one was 3-4 days ago; it was a little pasty black ball, and a good amount of brown mucous. Had an enema after to help cleaning up. I´ve started to develop little "bumps" on all my head2-4 days ago: it´s like spots but with no "head" and they´re not itchy, just a bit painful if pressed. I´m taking it as detox symptoms; I have had them in "my previous life" when I was toxic. Wonder if anyone else had them or knows what are about.
Now, for the last 2'5 years i have had almost constant pain just behind the bottom part of the ribs, slightly towards the left side. Feels like a "chemical" pain plus a "physical" one: acidity, heartburn plus a pressure and fullness feelings; drinking coke really soothed it. I guess this area houses part of the stomatch, pancreas, small intestine. Also pain one palm away on the left from the belly buttom, feels like if I could have a pouch there where Bm get blocked. With the last BM the latter pain has almost fully disappeared. But the former is now starting to gain some motion. Wondering if this is a detox symptom so I continue my fast for a little bit longer to allow this part of my body to repair itself or a warning bell to break the fast as my digestive system is starting to get distressed. I dont want to screw my digestion again as I had reached a good equlibrium before the wf.
0) Can WF at this stage cause digestive acids tha could bother delicate dgestive systems?
Now, my goal was 15 days on WF. I still got water for 8-10 days more. I still dont feel hungry -well, since 2´5 years I havent had that feeling, so I doubt I will feel it now-, my tongue has cleared a bi but still got pasty white coat -I doubt it will go away anyway- and feels like a scotchbrite. My doubt is whether to break the WF now or continue until finishing the water (25-28 days fast).
1) In theory, will be a big gain in health for a person with health issues by extending a fast from 18 to 28 days? Or could the same be achieved by a fast of 18 days combined with 3 days fast each month?
2) Also, I started weighting 87'8Kg. In the last 5 days I have lost 600g, some days gaining 100g instead of loosing. Is there an explanation about it? this coincides with the pain in my stomatch-pancreas-small intstine.
3) Breakng the fast: I have planned to break with OJ for 2 days, then juicing lettuce, cucumber, Celery for 2 more days + eating oranges, clementines, apples, maybe watermelon. then day 5 do veggy broths + fruit and continue for 7-10 days, when I will introduce bread, oats, salads, and finally small amounts of meat, fish, . Is it a good plan? btw, I do kefir, when would you advice to stat drinking kefir?
4) if I do again a wf, I would like to really understand why distilled water is preferred to mineral. I assume mineral is taken from springs. In my case it is from a high mountain so not much pollution around, and I assume the minerals are those added by the richness of the substrate. Whilst distlled water is manufactured: I undertand is deionized, and that can have a positive impact.
5) Is the distilled water sold in supermarkets for car batteries apt for human use?
6) How could I make my own distilled water:
6.1) Using the britta filtering system can be used for wf?
6.2) I´ve read something about tap water being boiled and
trapping the vapour will be distilled water. can someone give me a good and efficient method for getting it?
Sorry for the long post!! Once I get started I g forever. Anyway, I hope some info can be useful for others and some questions could be answered. Thanks a lot for any input.
FireEarth...
- Reply in part. Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 2,114,157Hello Fire :),
I will reply to a small part of this.
28 consecutive days would be considerably more beneficial than 18 days followed up with 3 days per month for 3 or 4 months. This has to do with the ground the 18 days will have broken and that continuing 10 additional days would take you to a place far deeper than would be the case in discontinuing the fast at 18 days and picking up with fasting 3 days per month for 3 or 4 months... An analogy (though imperfect) might be to a construction project. The job gets set up, all of the scaffolding and all of the materials are in place and there is more productivity each day because all of this can be left exactly where it is so that the project can be continued the next day without having to set everything up all over again. With discontinuing a fast and starting a month later, it's like taking down the scaffolding and taking away the materials... and it takes a while each time to get set up again before you can begin doing the work.
Mineral water is not a good idea on a fast and distilled water is ideal (reverse osmosis is good too). I can't take the time here to go into all of the reasons, but there are previous posts that cover this topic nicely and maybe somebody more familiar with the site can link you to some good posts in this area if you are having a hard time finding them for yourself. Also the same distilled water that is ideal for car batteries is also ideal for human consumption.
Your plan for breaking the fast seems very sound, except one part of it that i don't particularly see as ideal is the plan to introduce bread (presumably made from wheat) which i see as an unhealthy food as well as being digestively binding. I also believe that with digestive issues, you would likely be far better off without meat and that you would do well to eat primarily juicy fruits and vegetables, especially green leafy vegetables. I believe your health including smooth elimination would be far better served if your diet consisted of at least 70% fruits and vegetables.
Something that had jumped out at me was that you had been drinking 4 liters of coke per day which you said was to help with digesting meat and soothing acidity/heartburn and pressure and fullness. I'm not sure if it is in your plans to re-introduce this, but your needs can be far better served in other ways, without dramatically compromising your health. For example, should you choose to re-introduce meat, digestive enzymes would be far more effective than coke and without all of the unfortunate side effects. Also since you don't seem to be aware of this, i want to point out that coke is an absolute nutritional nightmare that wreaks havoc in the body in many ways and this is compounded immensely when we are talking about 4 liters per day. Can you imagine how much better your body (and your health) would be served if you replaced those approximately 1600 nutritionally bankrupt calories per day from the 4 liters of coke with calories from fresh fruits, vegetables and their juices?
You might want to do a google search for "harmful effects of coke" or something like this to help embed this awareness into your heart. It would be good to acknowledge that coke is extremely harmful to your health and to not justify its use when there are far better alternatives. As far as promoting optimal digestion, is there a reason why you haven't choosen to eat a lot of juicy fruits and green leafy vegetables? Establishing a healthy culture of intestinal flora (acidophilus/bifidus) would be beneficial as well.
I hope this was helpful. Blessings to you.
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Hi Mighty Sun Tzu,
Thank you for your careful and instructive answers. You´ve convinced me. I will continue the fast further up finishing all the water. I have got a gallon of distilled water for my car which I will even use to extend it 1 further day, knowing that it is drinkable. Only "problem" is that I opened the bottle a few months ago, but I hope it does not afffect it. Today the pain in my stomatch-ish area has improved significantly, so I feel "the project" is going ahead.
Dont worr, I dont plan to reintroduce coke. In fact I never drank it before, but when starting the meat diet it really helped my digestion. I have some pancreatic enzimes whhich I will use instead as you suggested until I gain confidence in my digestion working ok. I dont like meat, but belive me my digestive system was really happy when I ate it, although psycologically it was painful, like having survived a plane crash and eating dead bodies of fellow travellers...at times I almost cried while eating haggis, etc. But I read the collagen in all those visceras I ate can help with irritated digestive lining. I have now decided to eat meat in winter to store fat and get its aminoacids.
About bread, for the same reason as above I plan to eat a little, to allow my digestive system to repopulate with all kind of nutrients while healing. I mainly eat rye bread, but sometimes is wholemeal grain. Hopefully if by next spring/summer my full digestive system is sound, I will fast again and then migth drop meat and bread from my diet, at least in quantitative terms, even if I eat a little bit from time to time.
Glad kefir can be reintroduced early during the break of the WF! It is the only thing I really miss from the kitchen cupboard.
Thank you again for your comprehensive advice. Wishing you a happy and healthy day,
FireEArth..
- Re: Reply in part. FireEarthWaterAir
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This is a reply to # 2,114,157Excellent post Mighty Sun Tzu. I completely agree.
I'll see if I can answer one of the other questions.
I'm not sure why you tried to 'solve' the detox symptoms. These are necessary unpleasantnesses while the body eliminates toxic materials of all kinds. By ending the symptoms with the enema, you simply put your detox on hold whilst the body dealt with a new problem- salt.
Ok, why would you put on weight during a fast? Well, as you are consuming only water, it makes sense that you must have kept on some of the water weight. Why? well, salt is extremely toxic to the body , and must be kept in solution or one would die. if you introduced an amount of salt into the body via the enema, the body has to deal with this, so more water is kept in the system until the toxin can be eliminated.
So, it's partly a guess on my part as I don't know exactly when you put the weight on that you mentioned, but my guess would be around the time of the enema and the subsequent pause in detox. to me, those things fit together logically.... or maybe you just drank a lot of water that day. it can happen.
Avoid salt at all costs- nasty toxic stuff!
I would advise you to quit meat if that's your instinct. One can get all the nutrients one needs from a balanced plant-based diet. Fats can be got from nuts, seeds, avocado. meat is acidifying, and not good for digestion. I speak from a health perspective, not an ethical one.
(feeling better is not necessarily akin to healthier, as can be seen by the loss of symptoms after the enema. Remission of symptoms is just that- remission of SYMPTOMS. It's not the same as 'healed'. It's a confusion that modern medicine thrives on- cold remedies, for one example, merely attack the symptoms of detox, and in fact, keep the body more toxic at a time when it is trying to purge poisons)
Alright, I hope that answers that one a bit, I've done my best anyway.
Oh, I don't know how you make distilled water yourself. Personally, I bought a water distiller. I use it all the time, so it's a worthwhile investment in health.
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Hi applecore,
Thanks for your addition to answer my questions.
Enemas: I´ve had 3 enemas during this fast: Day 2, Day 5 and day 16 -the latter after having a natural BM, just to clean up-. The reason I did the first was to avoid suffering, I´ve had a lot of pain and suffering lately and I need to care about this facet of my health finding a good compromise. . Nevertheless, I do agree with you is better to leave the body to solve the situation by itself.
Weight Gain: You might be right about the salt. Up to day 15 I was consistently losing 200-400g per day. Day 16, after a natural BM I had an enema of about 1qrt water with barely 3/4 Tbs Sea Salt & idem Soda. Day 17 I had the same weight as d16, d18 I weighted 300gr less than d17, but d19 was 100g more than d18. So it could be down to liquid retention due to salt until I passed all the salt. On top of that my urine stang during those days, well, still does, even if the first days of my fast it was quite neutral. Oddly, today d19 -3 days after the enema-, my weight went 1Kg down from d18, and I woke up with no pain in my upper abdomen. So it makes sense. I was not worried my upper abdominal pain could be gaining volumen and weight for some reason, as it was more painful.
About the meat, believe me it is not something I like or enjoy, neither for ethics nor for health reasons. But I had pain going to the toiled for over 2 years, and when I started to eat the visceras it was a great relief. On top of that, I was malnourished after eating for those years a poor diet (oats, zucchini, beetroot, bit of bread). When I started to eat meat I noticed at bed by night I had cramps in my calfs, I am sure this was the aminoacids entering my malnourished muscles. The intestine is just a long muscle. My muscles bulked up nicely during the 3 monhts I was eating visceras. I tried SCD before this diet (chicken meat and broths) and it was a nightmare: constipation, extreme pain up to my teeth passing bm . Please, understand me, I am not advocating here of the benefits of eating meat: it is the most poluted and artificial food on earth, full of hormones, Antibiotics , parasites,... but for a specific health problem it might be a temporary addition to the arsenal of weapons to use. I am sure for my problem, which is possibly linked to stomatch/intestine lining, weakness of intestines appart for other things it has helped me a lot. I dont intend to eat again meat for ever, it is just a temporay situation untul I feel confident I can drop eating it for health purposes. If you are interested, this is the article I found about the benefits of gelatin in meat and convinced me to start eating visceras for health despite the psycological stress it caused me:
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml
Of course I will try to investigate vegetarian sources rich in gelatin. If you know any I will apppreciate if you post it as I can start planning to stuff me with it after my WF break.
It´s been a while I am trying to find the best system for water. I need to investigate this and take a final decision. The problme I see is with the addition of fracking to the hazards of pollution to water is almost impossible to get pure water regardless of the technology used. Sadly, it is starting to be almost a lost battle for the sake of progress=money.
Again, thank you for your answers and your encouragement to drop meat from the menu, which I will do if my recovery goes according to plan, after next spring fast. Have a happy and healthy day,
FireEArth..
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This is a reply to # 2,114,599thanks FireEarth!
Re- meat; well, you have to do what you think is right. I wouldn't normally mention diet, but as you seemed to be heading in that direction, and had emotional reactions to eating it, I thought I'd add a couple of thoughts...
I'm going to have to leave away from answering questions for a bit, maybe til after the fast. I had no idea how much energy it can take to organise one's thoughts and put them down!
What day are you on now, 20?
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This is a reply to # 2,114,837I am on day 21, Applecore . My tummy today was a bit less calm than yesterday unfortunately, but is not too bad. I dont feel hungry yet, and my energy is still ok: got to walk twice and stayed sitting outdoors on the sunshine the whole pm. My water reserves will last me about 2-4 days more. So you are fasting as well: All the best for your journey, as well as for you landing into food once you break the fast. If you can, i would advice you to have a slow walk straight after waking up. It boost my energy for the day, helps my back to detangle after the night, seems to activate my lymphatic system to excrete more rubbish collected from my cells, and helps me clean my mind from night dreams and visualize my duties for the day.
All the best,
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,115,112cheers- I've been doing a slow walk each day, mid-morning generally, not first thing... you're right about it pumping out the lymph system. I think it's great to have a little bit of movement, not just be lying there in a room all the time...
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