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Batgirl43
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about 3-4 months ago and now I have 2 cavities that need to be filled! I am not sure about following the advice on here about eliminating fluoride now. What the heck?- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Ginagirl
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,048,973-fluoride postpone a cavity about a year or two. That is the best I can say about fluoride. This happened to my eldest kid, he had a couple after quitting fluoride; after that no sight of anything.
So, avoiding cavities with fluoride. A choice you have to make, but also in the long run you will have to pay for it. Like with brainfog., hypo T.
An option is to take the natural fluoride, like homeopatics; calc fluor.
But if you live in the US i would say that you get enough from any foood, as the water over there are usually supplemented with it.
My choice would be to search other things to avoid cavities; like silicium, molydubneum, magnesium.
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- Re: Stopped Fluoride... trapper/kcmo
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,048,973good dental hygiene starts with diet. check out weston price.
fluoride doesnt work but regardless, none will enter me even if i have to have dentures.- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,049,005I forgot to mention osteoporosis, also a problem with fluoride.
Yep, Silica is a better option;
"Why have we NEVER heard this before....? Why doesn't your doctor or dentist tell you to take silica instead of calcium...simply because they don't WANT you to know about it. I started giving my 80 year mother silica (500mg a day for 4 weeks) and when she had her next bone density scan which was only 4 weeks after her starting the Silica, the doctors were shocked at her density increased by 30%. She had been on a steady decline while taking the useless "OSCAL" and other over the counter supplements.
Taking about 500mg to 1000mg of silica or horsetail a day you can actually begin to reverse bone loss but tooth decay. The better your overall health the better these techniques will work."
http://www.chinesehealthandfitness.com/Silica.html
-and if you dont believe me; right after this snippet, there is a warning
"(Contraindications: Pregnant and nursing women or men with prostate cancer should avoid Horsetail Herbal Supplement. This herb should not be used for prolonged periods of time nor in excessive amounts (many times the recommended dosage). Older adults, children and people with cardiac disease or high blood pressure should not use the herb without first consulting a physician."
-which tell me everything..like why;
""Osteoporosis is a symptom of the aging process. As calcium in our body system leaches, our bones become brittle and weak. Taking only a calcium supplement cannot correct or stop this threatening and crippling disease because the body cannot assimilate and make use of the calcium without the presence of silica. Evidence suggests that, instead of affecting healing, supplemental mineral calcium, on the contrary, accelerates the leaching away of bone calcium and thus hastens the degenerative process of osteoporosis and similar diseases that affect the supportive and connective tissues in the human body.
For osteoporosis, silica can stop the pain and even restore the body’s self repair process. Osteoporosis symptoms attack women primarily after menopause but the degenerative process starts much earlier in their younger days. More women are dying of fractures caused by osteoporosis than of cancer of the breast, cervix, and uterus combined.
In osteoporosis, thinning of the bones occurs due to insufficient production of the surrounding protein medium in which calcium salts first deposit. A lack of calcium in the bone matrix leads to enlargement of canals and spaces in the bones, giving the bones a porous, thinned appearance. The weakened bone becomes fragile and may be broken by a minor injury. The bones may even fracture from normal pressure or stress. For purposes of remineralization of damaged bones, it is recommended that a sufficient silica supplement be taken daily. Bones are made up of mainly phosphorus, magnesium and calcium but they also contain silica. Silica is responsible for the depositing of minerals into the bones, especially calcium. It speeds up the healing of fractures and also reduces scarring at the site of a fracture.
More and more research evidence shows that through a transmutation process, silica is turned into calcium when it is needed. That is why some scientists refer to silica as a precursor of calcium. Even when calcium is insufficient, the body can turn silica into calcium that the bones need.""
-and dont forget vit C when it comes to all kinds of bone and collagen repairs. Also comes with a warning, lol, just to make it easy for the knowledgeables. :)
Anyone ever seen a warning on fluoridated water, I mean, on the bottle, or tap water ???
- Re:yep.. Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,049,025"More women are dying of fractures caused by osteoporosis than of cancer of the breast, cervix, and uterus combined."
- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Newport
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This is a reply to # 2,049,025A better way to think about is to use the Vogel Urticalcin we talked about and add silica to offset the massive onslaught of Aluminum...
Its not just about minerals in the bones or availability its about guarding the kidneys to make sure they don't dump all that good stuff out of the body.
Alu in everything is a war against silica and only negative charged calc is properly absorbed which leaves you with Raw Milk, non nuked Coral Calc, SCD Yogurt or a homeopathy that supplies the negative ions.
..of course lead mimics calc so now one needs to thing sulfur like MSM.. and silica is needed for brain function which is why those planes are up in the sky dumping Alu to begin with..
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- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,049,033Yes, I took the rest of the Urticalcin after we talked about it. In a month I can start nibbling at the horstail around here. And others.
Btw, my mother, that was severly ill for many years, swore to Urticalcin all the time. She had a ugly bicycle accident a year ago, could have killed her, point is that the doctor at the IR couldnt believe why no bones was broken.
She is 70 years old.- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Newport
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This is a reply to # 2,049,038Unfortunately you can't stop because THEY don't.
Now Alu is massive everywhere but not just as Alu in food mostly margarine type stuff but coatings on White Coat pills and cheese food products but as Alu Oxide or highly positive charged ALUMINA.
..never seen this before, either new or newly upgraded for today:
http://homeoint.org/books/boericmm/a/alum-sil.htm
- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,049,040It is in the old book I have, the Boericke bible, exact the same lines, except that he recommend higher potencies.
- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Newport
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This is a reply to # 2,049,048Guess people had Alumina issues for a long time, now we get it from our sky Gods..
Reminds me of the video 'What In The World Are They Spraying'
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Prunes for bone loss paraboy
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This is a reply to # 2,049,025There must be silica in prunes or else it is the boron because the study below showed that by eating 10 prunes per day, they could reverse osteoporosus. They also, show how the parathyroid is better at preventing bone loss and boron deficiency causes hyperparathyroid. My mom also, increased her bone density eating prunes for a couple months.
Prunes May Prevent and Reverse Osteoporotic Bone Loss7/3/2012
Jacob Schor, ND, FABNOTuesday, July 03, 2012
by: Jacob Schor, ND, FABNO
Section: Abstracts & Commentary
About the Author
Jacob Schor, ND, FABNO, is a graduate of National College of Naturopathic Medicine and now practices in Denver. He served as president to the Colorado Association of Naturopathic Physicians, and is now on the board of directors of the Oncology Association of Naturopathic Physicians and is recognized as a Fellow by the American Board of Naturopathic Oncology. He serves on the editorial board for the International Journal of Naturopathic Medicine. In 2008, he was awarded the Vis Award by the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians. His writing appears often in Naturopathy Digest and Naturopathic Doctor News and Review.
Reference
Hooshmand S, Chai SC, Saadat RL, Payton ME, Brummel-Smith K, Arjmandi BH. Comparative effects of dried plum and dried apple on bone in postmenopausal women. Br J Nutr. 2011 Sep;106(6):923-930.
Design
Randomized non-blinded comparative study
Participants
All 160 participants in this study were women, 1–10 years postmenopausal, not on hormone replacement therapy or any other prescribed medication known to influence bone metabolism. The participants were randomly assigned to 1 of 2 treatment groups.
Study Medication and Dosage
One group consumed dried plums (100 gram/day). The second group acted as a comparative control and ate dried apples instead of dried plums (100 gm/day). Participants in both groups took calcium (500 mg/day) and vitamin D daily (400 IU/day).
Outcome Measures
Bone mineral density (BMD) of lumbar spine, forearm, hip, and whole body was assessed at baseline and at the end of the study using dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry. Blood samples were collected at baseline and 3, 6, and 12 months to assess bone biomarkers. Physical activity recall and 1-week food frequency questionnaire were obtained at baseline and 3, 6, and 12 months to examine physical activity and dietary confounders as potential covariates.
Key Findings
Consumption of dried plums significantly increased the bone mineral density of ulna and spine in comparison with dried apple. Only the dried plum significantly decreased serum levels of bone turnover markers, including bone-specific alkaline phosphatase and tartrate-resistant acid phosphatase-5b.
Practice Implications
These finding confirm the results of a series of earlier studies that suggested consumption of dried plums improved bone mineral density (BMD) by suppressing rate of bone turnover.1 Daily consumption of prunes should now be considered a valid strategy for prevention and treatment of osteoporosis.
Many women are hesitant to utilize the current drug treatments prescribed for osteoporosis. This research confirms the benefit of the "prune diet" treatment for osteoporosis and provides an alternative treatment option.
[NOTE: Prunes underwent an official name change in 2000 and are now, under Food and Drug Administration (FDA) rules called dried plums.]
Bahram Arjmandi, who is listed as a coauthor of the current paper, has been investigating dried plums for more than a decade; his first paper was published in 2001.2
The current report is very similar to a pilot study Arjmandi published in 2002. He had previously shown that dried plums were “highly effective in modulating bone mass in an ovarian hormone-deficient rat model of osteoporosis.” So Arjmandi conducted a study “to examine whether the addition of dried plums to the diets of postmenopausal women positively influences markers of bone turnover.” In that study, 58 post-menopausal women were randomly assigned to eat either 100 grams of dried plums or 75 grams of dried apples every day. The prunes but not the apples “significantly increased serum levels of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) and bone-specific alkaline phosphatase (BSAP) activity.”
High levels of both of these chemicals are associated with faster bone formation. Serum and urinary markers of bone resorption, however, were not affected. The drugs typically used to treat osteoporosis focus on the other side of the equation; they slow bone resorption.
Since then Arjmandi has written a string of papers using animal models of osteoporosis in order to better understand the action dried plums have on bone. In a 2005 paper using ovariectomized rats, he reported that dried plum restored femoral and tibial bone density, increased lumbar bone density, and improved bone quality and trabecular microarchitectural properties.
Arjmandi pointed out the unique action dried plums had on bone: “Loss of bone volume accompanied by loss of trabecular connectivity is generally believed to be an irreversible process, but our observations suggest that dried plum improves trabecular microstructure of tibia after losses have already occurred.”3
Similar benefits were obtained using castrated male rats and reported in 2006, with dried plum completely preventing the castration-induced decrease in whole body, femur, and lumbar vertebra bone mineral density. The bone resorption biomarker deoxypyridinoline (DPD) rose by 36% in the castrated rats but dropped 57% in those rats consuming dried plums.4
In 2007, another rat study found that while dried plums were effective, parathyroid hormone was even more effective at restoring bone mass.5
In 2007, another rat study found that while dried plums were effective, parathyroid hormone was even more effective at restoring bone mass.
Several additional papers of interest have been published while this trial was underway. A 2008 paper explained, “Dried plum polyphenols inhibit osteoclastogenesis by downregulating NFATc1 and inflammatory mediators.”6 A 2009 publication tells us that the polyphenols in dried plums "attenuate the detrimental effects of TNF-alpha on osteoblast function.”7
Of particular interest is a 2010 paper reporting that combining dried plum and fructo-oligo-saccharide (FOS) supplements increased both of their bone-restoring effects. In fact this combination had a greater effect at increasing bone density than any other functional foods yet tested.8 Also of note, an additional mouse study published in 2010 showed that dried plum supplements could restore lost bone mass in aged mice.9
This current study leaves little doubt that consuming dried plums can preserve bone. The pertinent question then is what percentage of patients can actually be compliant with this treatment? The daily dose of dried plums, 100 grams, is equivalent to about a dozen prunes. Although the mechanism has yet to be delineated, the fact is well accepted that prunes have a laxative effect. Some patients may find it difficult to comfortably consume a therapeutic dose. One option is to simply prescribe dried plums “to bowel tolerance” and to then increase the dose as tolerance improves over time.
Another option would be to combine the prunes with other agents or foods that have the opposite effect on bowel transit times (BTT). Calcium has long been associated with slowing BTT. Poppy seeds also have a pronounced slowing effect on BBT. It is perhaps noteworthy that both ground poppy seed pastes and prune pastes have been traditionally consumed in close proximity in certain cultures. It also may be possible at some future point to isolate either the active factors that impact bone density and concentrate them or identify which elements create the laxative effect and remove them.
Fortuitously, a fair percentage of patients who may benefit from “prune therapy” have relatively slow BTT, and this prescription for osteoporosis may relieve their constipation.
References
1. Hooshmand S, Chai SC, Saadat RL, Payton ME, Brummel-Smith K, Arjmandi BH. Comparative effects of dried plum and dried apple on bone in postmenopausal women. Br J Nutr. 2011;106(6):923-930.
2. Arjmandi BH. The role of phytoestrogens in the prevention and treatment of osteoporosis in ovarian hormone deficiency. J Am Coll Nutr. 2001;20(5 Suppl):398S-402S; discussion 417S-420S.
3. Deyhim F, Stoecker BJ, Brusewitz GH, Devareddy L, Arjmandi BH. Dried plum reverses bone loss in an osteopenic rat model of osteoporosis. Menopause. 2005;12(6):755-762.
4. Franklin M, Bu SY, Lerner MR, et al. Dried plum prevents bone loss in a male osteoporosis model via IGF-I and the RANK pathway. Bone. 2006;39(6):1331-1342.
5. Bu SY, Lucas EA, Franklin M, et al. Comparison of dried plum supplementation and intermittent PTH in restoring bone in osteopenic orchidectomized rats. Osteoporos Int. 2007;18(7):931-942.
6. Bu SY, Lerner M, Stoecker BJ, et al. Dried plum polyphenols inhibit osteoclastogenesis by downregulating NFATc1 and inflammatory mediators. Calcif Tissue Int. 2008;82(6):475-488.
7. Bu SY, Hunt TS, Smith BJ. Dried plum polyphenols attenuate the detrimental effects of TNF-alpha on osteoblast function coincident with up-regulation of Runx2, Osterix and IGF-I. J Nutr Biochem. 2009;20(1):35-44.
8. Arjmandi BH, Johnson CD, Campbell SC, Hooshmand S, Chai SC, Akhter MP. Combining fructooligosaccharide and dried plum has the greatest effect on restoring bone mineral density among sellect functional foods and bioactive compounds. J Med Food. 2010;13(2):312-319.
9. Halloran BP, Wronski TJ, VonHerzen DC, et al. Dietary dried plum increases bone mass in adult and aged male mice. J Nutr. 2010;140(10):1781-1787.http://www.naturalmedicinejournal.com/article_content.asp?edition=1§i...
- Re: Prunes for bone loss Newport
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- Re: Prunes for bone loss Newport
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- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Ginagirl
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- Re: Stopped Fluoride... paraboy
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This is a reply to # 2,048,973
I had dental fluorosis for years and asked every one of my dentists what were those spots on my teeth.
Not one of them could tell me I had fluorosis.
I had a cavity every year, but once I went lowcarb, high fat in 1997, I have not had a cavity since.
sodium hydrofluorosilicic acid (Fluoride) has absolutely, no benefit in the human body.
It is rat poison.
Data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 1999-2004 and the 1986-1987 National Survey of Oral Health in U.S. School Children
- Less than one-quarter of persons aged 6-49 in the United States had some form of dental fluorosis.
- The prevalence of dental fluorosis was higher in adolescents than in adults and highest among those aged 12-15.
- Adolescents aged 12-15 in 1999-2004 had a higher prevalence of dental fluorosis than adolescents aged 12-15 in 1986-1987.
Dental fluorosis refers to changes in the appearance of tooth enamel that are caused by long-term ingestion of fluoride during the time teeth are forming (1). Studies conducted in the 1930s showed that the severity of tooth decay was lower and dental fluorosis was higher in areas with more fluoride in the drinking water (2). In response to these findings, community water fluoridation programs were developed to add fluoride to drinking water to reach an optimal level for preventing tooth decay, while limiting the chance of developing dental fluorosis (3). By the 1980s, studies in selected U.S. communities reported an increase in dental fluorosis (4,5), paralleling the expansion of water fluoridation and the increased availability of other sources of ingested fluoride, such as fluoride toothpaste (if swallowed) and fluoride supplements (6). This report describes the prevalence of dental fluorosis in the United States and changes in the prevalence and severity of dental fluorosis among adolescents between 1986-1987 and 1999-2004.
Prevalence of dental fluorosis was higher among younger persons and ranged from 41% among adolescents aged 12-15 to 9% among adults aged 40-49.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db53.htm
- oil pulling trapper/kcmo
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- Re: oil pulling paraboy
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This is a reply to # 2,049,118
I don't have dental fluorosis anymore because I stopped drinking the water.
No doubt, oil pulling is great, but I just can't get myself to do it daily.
- Re: oil pulling trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 2,049,132it takes on a little different status when you swallow.
so much 'to do' was made of this toxic substance and brushing teeth and worried about getting it in the sink drain and the trash can and....
swallow it. if you do as i did which was swishing until the oil was no longer viscous and was like water, then you have emulsified all that oil, that or soaked it up. its ready to eat. the real benefit to oil pulling is the ingesting of it. to throw good oil away that you could and should be eating, especially the cost of good oil these days, just swallow. you will notice the difference. and i do think you get a mini Liver Flush with it. in fact, we talked many times on that forum about how it felt like after pulling that one should take a swig of fresh oil and swallow it. we figured the oil in the mouth was signaling the liver that fat was coming, probably from its presence in the blood right away through the sublingual route.
i knew i was getting a lot of oil in my tissues from oil pulling. my eyes still, to this day are better and i have better night vision and i still see visual purple at dusk. the eye doctor says the backs of my eyes are smooth and flawless white. its been four years, i think with very few pulls since. it hasnt been necessary. but i was pulling multiple times in a row and spitting it out and doing it again. five times in a row, some days. i would get a lightness of being type feeling that i havent had since.- Re: oil pulling dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,049,157Hm
Now this is interesting...
One question if I may trapper - although I've read several messages I'm not clear about - would oil pulling be ok while still having Amalgams inside? Don't have now enough money for replacement nor do we have here a holistic dentistry. But want to do oil pulling especially for detox and 2 root canals I have.
Many thanks
Ps sorry for posting here - it just I was reading the topic you've wrote- Re: oil pulling paraboy
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This is a reply to # 2,049,179
I don't think having the oil carry the mercury thru your body would be a good idea.
Maybe someone else can give their experience or you can try the oil pulling forum.
- Re: oil pulling trapper/kcmo
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- Re: oil pulling trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 2,049,179yes, it will help. but determine for sure to get those things out - the RCs and the amalgams. they will eventually kill you.
as you make strides toward cleansing and nutrition you should not reach the point that youre increasing mercury coming from the fillings before you have them out. use the cutler methods. go to owen's cilantro pesto recipe here on curezone and use it. use brazil nuts in it. breath in through your nose and out the mouth. avoid chewing and hot foods and drinks.
- Re: oil pulling paraboy
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This is a reply to # 2,049,157
That is interesting.
There are parotid glands in the cheeks which trigger parotid hormone that is responsible for the fluid flow thru teeth.
Sugar triggers parotid hormone to cause fluid flow to from the mouth, into the enamel, into the dentin and into the pulp chamber and that is not the direction we want.
When our phosphorus levels are between 3.5-4.0, the fluid flow goes in the right direction, from pulp chamber, into the dentin, thru the enamal and into the mouth.
Since fat is broken down in the gut and not the mouth, it sounds like it would be better to swallow it because the body already knows it is in the mouth.
I should do it because I still have a root canal tooth that I am getting out at the end of april.
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- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Johny Apple Bomb
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This is a reply to # 2,048,9731 ultra sonic tooth brush.
2 vitamin k2 to get the calcium to go where it should go (teeth and bones) instead of kidney's and arteries.
3 egg shell calcium. Proven one of the most effective ways to absorb bio available calcium. Also supplies mineral like boron.
4 Don't trust the dentist, make sure you have cavities. - Re: Stopped Fluoride... midwestMadness
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This is a reply to # 2,048,973Consider gargling in mouthwash with hydrogen peroxide every couple of days. I suspect you have a lot more going on. Perhaps you have mineral deficiencies. Your system will take minerals wherever it has to when needed...bones, teeth. I started using himalayan pink salt. It is tasty and it contains 84 trace minerals we need. I urge you to check it out.
- Re: Stopped Fluoride... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,050,435Yes, a good idea about the hydrogen peroxide.
Also the himalayan salt.
good one.
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